If you really hated Ethiopia, you'd support Tigray

[gurey25]

excuse my ignorance but i have never heard of Jeeqama Keelloo.., is this during addowa time of post addowa?
If you have any information, links i would appreciate it, i am addicted to history especially millitary history..

as for the peacefull nature of the waaqqafenna worshipping oromos, what about your age grade system?
what about your expansion during the 1550's.

and arent you afran qallo? i believe they have been muslim as long as the somalis, maybe its the arsi you are talking about .

[bareento]

Your all over-exaggerating on the power the Amhara posess.

An ONLF/OLF/Sidama/Afar Alliance will do, with the either one of the Tigre and Amhara siding with this group, Currently the Amhara are playing both soft diplomacy with their Political movements, and hard-power with the EPPF.

The EPPF is not as strong militarily as the ONLF and politically, Zenawi has them on lock with a huge defeat this week, hailu shawel betraying their cause for material gains.
So They wonder in Exile, berhan Nega and the sorts.

It will be difficult for them to muster any kind of alliance with anyone now!.

Bareento no one is after oromo land, but we'd love you for once to show concern about your priorities as a people.

Hi Handaq,

Believe me Amharas will never go to war without strong oromo generals and oromo "cavalry" , it has been that way for the last three century.

The ONLF/OLF/SIDAMA alliance u r proposing might be the sanest option on paper
but I think its just a dream for no one knows wat ONLF stands for...........greater somalia, liberating Ogadenia, destroying ethiopia .......

B.

[hanqadh]

Bareento We stand for liberation, we want to extract ourselve's from this hell-hole first, that is our objective.

- That proposal is a done deal bareento, the Amhara's dont like it either...it has been discussed behind closed doors already and the evidence is shown, The OLF leader was present for a large ONLF/Community meeting in Denver and various OLF leadership have started dialogue between the two communities, we have the same objectives. The Sidama and the Afar naturally come into this equation, we also have our allies in the various Gurage's, we have the Gambellan's too.

- We have to exploit these options, and succesfully we are doing it before the amhara's, so in the eventual fall of Ethiopia we are a step ahead of the Amhara's.

- So i would say we're going in with a good shot at success here.

[bareento]

excuse my ignorance but i have never heard of Jeeqama Keelloo.., is this during addowa time of post addowa?
If you have any information, links i would appreciate it, i am addicted to history especially millitary history..

as for the peacefull nature of the waaqqafenna worshipping oromos, what about your age grade system?
what about your expansion during the 1550's.

and arent you afran qallo? i believe they have been muslim as long as the somalis, maybe its the arsi you are talking about .

I am sorry, Gurey, It was not Jeeqama Keello who made prisoners 8000 italian soldiers it was GARASU DUKI

Standing well over 6 feet and known by his Horse Name - Aba Bora, this remarkable Ras led a guerilla army of as much as 52,000 men during the Italian occupation of 1928-1933. Among his notable achievements was his liberation of the town of Jimma in 1933 overseeing the surrender of more than 8000 Italians

U know the age grade system was "invented" as mean of protection against muslim and christian encrochment, and wat u call expansion is merely WAAQs sons getting back wat they lost in the hands of muslims and christians.

Its true, I am Afran Qallo, and we are muslims since long ,long time; but as an Oromo I am very much attached to old Oromo traditions

B

[galia]

I am very much attached to old Oromo traditions

B

Then why don't you stand up and defend the right of the Oromo people to determine their own future against habesha oppression.
Why don't you rise up and scream out freedom for Oromia. Unlike the Habesha we somalis hve never had the desire to stand against the will of the oromo people.

[bareento]

I am very much attached to old Oromo traditions

B

Then why don't you stand up and defend the right of the Oromo people to determine their own future against habesha oppression.
Why don't you rise up and scream out freedom for Oromia. Unlike the Habesha we somalis hve never had the desire to stand against the will of the oromo people.

Hi Galia,

We have been doing that for a century, true we havent attained our goal but we scored a lot of victories
We were in some ideological and religious confusion, now that we have solved this problem.....the best is yet to come!

I am happy to read the last phrase of your post

B.

[Dudaaye]

disarm, crush and subdue Christian Ethiopia once and for all.

Tigrays/Amhara must be subdued, it's time for the muslims to take over Ethiopia.

[surrender]

questions. i didnt read the whole thing, didnt even read the thread.
but who Are Tigray?
what problems/issues are they facing against Ethiopian government if any?
do they want to secede?

[Meles]

questions. i didnt read the whole thing, didnt even read the thread.
but who Are Tigray?
what problems/issues are they facing against Ethiopian government if any?
do they want to secede?

Second post is a basic summary, but basically:

1. Politically, A Tigrayan is defined as anybody that speaks the language of Tigigna including those who live outside Tigrai, the Kunamas, the Sahos, the Afar and the Taltal, the Agew, and the Welkait. It's also an ethnicity, but many are Tigray-ised Oromo. Assimilated.

2. The problems currently facing the Ethiopian government, range from secessionist movements (OLF, ONLF, etc.), famine and increasing tension which will likely culminate in ethnic violence. Sectarian violence has begun between Muslims and Christians.

3. Yes, the TPLF's original aim (since 1967) was to establish an independent republic of Tigray, with control of Assab (the focal point of the Eri-Ethio conflict.

[Aliyyi Oromada]

excuse my ignorance but i have never heard of Jeeqama Keelloo.., is this during addowa time of post addowa?
If you have any information, links i would appreciate it, i am addicted to history especially millitary history..

as for the peacefull nature of the waaqqafenna worshipping oromos, what about your age grade system?
what about your expansion during the 1550's.

and arent you afran qallo? i believe they have been muslim as long as the somalis, maybe its the arsi you are talking about .

I am sorry, Gurey, It was not Jeeqama Keello who made prisoners 8000 italian soldiers it was GARASU DUKI

Standing well over 6 feet and known by his Horse Name - Aba Bora, this remarkable Ras led a guerilla army of as much as 52,000 men during the Italian occupation of 1928-1933. Among his notable achievements was his liberation of the town of Jimma in 1933 overseeing the surrender of more than 8000 Italians

U know the age grade system was "invented" as mean of protection against muslim and christian encrochment, and wat u call expansion is merely WAAQs sons getting back wat they lost in the hands of muslims and christians.

Its true, I am Afran Qallo, and we are muslims since long ,long time; but as an Oromo I am very much attached to old Oromo traditions

B

Bareento,

Jeeqama keello, garasu dukki, abdisa agaa etc, you are bragging about Ethiopian war heroes who helped restore Haile Selassie to his throne after the Italians kicked him out.

Gurey,

Its my opinion that Oromos had the best military minds of Africa;
History tells us that Jeeqama Keelloo and his army made prisoner 8000 italians soldiers in Jimma. Italians can tell u about the Tulama Cavalry...

The introduction of Islam and Christianity was a major blow to us and put us in the worst POLITICAL CONFUSION, It took us more than a century to update our mindset from an innocent and peaceloving religion (WAAQEEFANNA) to Islam and Christianity;
and the horn should be prepared to welcome the sons of WAAQ all converted to machiavelism and practicing hate,arrogance, bloodthirstiness....masha allah

As for the ethiopian situation, I agree probably there will be a kind of alliance b/n amharas and oromos and there will be a sort of mildly oromonized ethiopian nationalism.

B

I'm sorry I have to resort to this, but I'm going to have to call into question your claim of being afran qallo. 1st of all every muslim Oromos knows it was the tulama cavalry you brag about, who fought the Afran Qallo, the Ituu, Wallo on behalf of of their christian brethren. 2ndly your lamenting about your ancestors conversion to Islam. "Sons of waaq", waaq=no sons. And your eagerness to come to terms with amharas. I don't like analyzing people, I would much rather discuss ideas. But I have to call it like I see it.

With that said I would have to agree with your conclusion. The major player in the region is the US, and when the Ethiopian regime begins to fall, the Americans will bring all their cards into play. They would probably work out some sort of power sharing deal between tplf, olf, onlf, and perhaps some amhara politicians. Which they will fund to fight against fundamentalism or what not

[bareento]

excuse my ignorance but i have never heard of Jeeqama Keelloo.., is this during addowa time of post addowa?
If you have any information, links i would appreciate it, i am addicted to history especially millitary history..

as for the peacefull nature of the waaqqafenna worshipping oromos, what about your age grade system?
what about your expansion during the 1550's.

and arent you afran qallo? i believe they have been muslim as long as the somalis, maybe its the arsi you are talking about .

I am sorry, Gurey, It was not Jeeqama Keello who made prisoners 8000 italian soldiers it was GARASU DUKI

Standing well over 6 feet and known by his Horse Name - Aba Bora, this remarkable Ras led a guerilla army of as much as 52,000 men during the Italian occupation of 1928-1933. Among his notable achievements was his liberation of the town of Jimma in 1933 overseeing the surrender of more than 8000 Italians

U know the age grade system was "invented" as mean of protection against muslim and christian encrochment, and wat u call expansion is merely WAAQs sons getting back wat they lost in the hands of muslims and christians.

Its true, I am Afran Qallo, and we are muslims since long ,long time; but as an Oromo I am very much attached to old Oromo traditions

B

Bareento,

Jeeqama keello, garasu dukki, abdisa agaa etc, you are bragging about Ethiopian war heroes who helped restore Haile Selassie to his throne after the Italians kicked him out.

Hi Aliyyi,

Wats wrong fighting Fascist Italia?
Most resented the way Haile left the country, but they were not fighting for the come back of the Emperor; even Abebe Aregay, the most attached to haile selassie, tried to put on the throne the son or grand son of Lij Iyasu!

Abdisa fought fascism in Italia and Germany....
Jeeqamaa Keello fought them at young age...
Oromo history of the last century was an UNENDING TRAGEDY, we cannot throw out some and keep the rest!
we have to come to terms with our history

Jagamo Kello, middle, left home at just 15 to fight Italian invaders

[Aliyyi Oromada]

Yoo afaan Oromoo beeyte, haasaawa khana itti fufuu ni dandeenya. yoo hin beeyne, waan hin taane himachaa jirta.

[Voltage]

In my opinion, and history shows, Amharas r nthg without Oromos, but they can play a nasty trick to the tigreans by allying themselves with Oromos;
the question is to see wat will be the tigreans move to counter if this alliance is created? Tigre-Somali alliance ; Tigre-Amhar?

Peace

B.

Bareento Meles is already trying to do that, create a Tigre-Somali bloc against the Amhara. I said this

This is actually true and I have said so here before on this forum. My brother who was there over the summer said Zenewi gives more special privileges and funding to the Ogaden then most other places in Ethiopia (although he has been building Mekelle for two decades now) but this rapid increase in trying to win the "hearts and minds" only has to do with one thing and that is fear. It started with the vocal CUD and Amhara opposition when Zenewi was brought back down to earth and he was reminded who the number one enemy of the Woyane regime is (Amhara) and everybody knows when he rode into Addis Ababa, the ONLF rode in with him. The only reason they seperated was when he refused to follow through with the agreed upon "self-determination for every region" plan. Now the Amhara are slowly getting the cajones back, he wants to offset this by pandering to the Ogaden so he would not have to concentrate as much military resources as there.

[bareento]

Aliyyi,

A Somali telling me I am not Afran Qallo, thats hilarious; but for me tribe is nthg, I consider myself as being an Oromo who happens to be from Harerge

True, once their leaders surrendered to Amharas the Tulamas became the fer de lance of Showa Amhara imperialism; but that does not change the fact they r Oromos and that they r warrior like people; its our tragedy that the enemy used it against us....

As for ONLF/OLF/Sidama alliance, at this stage every one knows that it wont go long, as they have different ,sometimes conflicting objectives

As for Waaq, I am a muslim with biggest respect for my ancestors religion

B.

[bareento]

Yoo afaan Oromoo beeyte, haasaawa khana itti fufuu ni dandeenya. yoo hin beeyne, waan hin taane himachaa jirta.

Aliyyi,afaan khuni afaan abbaa khiyyaati; afaan khiyya

Wanni niin jachuu fedhe, seenaa teenya gara gallee hoggaa laallu, ta feenee qofa qoyqayuu hin qabnu; hunda irra deebinee laalu dandayuu qabna

Nagayatti

B.