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[peace-]

I have observed the Shariah courts many times and they are unable to grasp that there are situations where reconciliation cannot work. When there is physical abuse, they suggest that a woman goes back to her husband, when he is an adulterer, same thing. Many times in Muslim cultures, families intervene and reconcile couples so going to a shariah court is not the first step they have taken. By going to Shariah courts, these women are serious about obtaining a divorce. Throwing labels around like feminism is not gonna strenghthen your argument. If that woman was your sister, maybe you would think twice.

when was the last time you saw a somali woman being raped by her husband, when was the last time you saw a somali women been force to stay with husband who beats her and suprise suprise we are ARE MUSLIMS TOO walaalo that cases you're taking about are extreme case and they dont represent muslims nor do the reflect the islamic teaching. no less then a catholic priest molesting little boys is respresenntative of christianity. the teaching of islam are clear on the issue of rape. the punishment is death.... an abused wife has the legally right a divorce and compensation for her injuries.
the things you're describe have absolutely nothing do with islam. lets be honest here, you're not a concern advocate for oppress women. your real target IS ISLAM, and you you're using extreme case and the sermon of crazy preachers to discredit islam.
walaalo you have the right into believe islam and to right to challege its practice but at least be honest about it.

[*Nobleman*]

Nobleman

I dont think you understand how divorce works, that woman did not expect to be granted divorce within half an hour, divorce can take up many months, because there are issues to be resolved, for example contacting the husband and asking for his side of the story and whether he agrees to the divorce. The issue is whether reconciliation is appropriate, what if she did not accept it, would she be seen by the shariah courts as an unwilling party to the marriage and hence not grant her a divorce. Coming to a decision like divorce is never easy, it has nothing to do with emotions.

I am all for womens rights and someone like you should be well aware of how Islam is the most progressive religion in terms of women rights. Therefore you shouldnt be using isolated incidents like above to paint Islam as a religion harsh on women.

Secondly its safe to assume that the sheikh you mentioned has much more experience than you in this feild, the difference is his solution is based on experience of other cases he has dealt with and also Islamic legislation concerning divorce which favours reconciliation. Where as yours is based on your oppinion.

[*Nobleman*]

I have observed the Shariah courts many times and they are unable to grasp that there are situations where reconciliation cannot work. When there is physical abuse, they suggest that a woman goes back to her husband, when he is an adulterer, same thing. Many times in Muslim cultures, families intervene and reconcile couples so going to a shariah court is not the first step they have taken. By going to Shariah courts, these women are serious about obtaining a divorce. Throwing labels around like feminism is not gonna strenghthen your argument. If that woman was your sister, maybe you would think twice.

when was the last time you saw a somali woman being raped by her husband, when was the last time you saw a somali women been force to stay with husband who beats her and suprise suprise we are ARE MUSLIMS TOO walaalo that cases you're taking about are extreme case and they dont represent muslims nor do the reflect the islamic teaching. no less then a catholic priest molesting little boys is respresenntative of christianity. the teaching of islam are clear on the issue of rape. the punishment is death.... an abused wife has the legally right a divorce and compensation for her injuries.
the things you're describe have absolutely nothing do with islam. lets be honest here, you're not a concern advocate for oppress women. your real target IS ISLAM, and you you're using extreme case and the sermon of crazy preachers to discredit islam.
walaalo you have the right into believe islam and to right to challege its practice but at least be honest about it.

well pointed out bro, the same can be said for crazy cat lady as well

[senoritaa]

lol@ asking the sheikhs silly questions not everyone is intellectually blessed

leila25,

Sometimes women who are going to seek the imams help for a divorce are not 100% sure themselves, sometimes they want someone to talk them out of it or to prove a point. Some even have battered wife syndrome like the gaalo women who keep going back to abusive partners. We ladies have to accept that a lot of women take back abusive husbands and go back and forth.

[Leila25]

am all for womens rights and someone like you should be well aware of how Islam is the most progressive religion in terms of women rights. Therefore you shouldnt be using isolated incidents like above to paint Islam as a religion harsh on women.

I have not mentioned Islam, do you actually read my posts before you respond? My issue is with the Shariah court in London, i can criticise the way it deals with divorce. My opinion is based on that in reality one way approach to solve problems does not work for everyone. The sheikh has more experience than me, but let us not treat their judgements as sacred please or else we will start censoring ourselves.

[ModerateMuslim]

notsonoblehypocrite,

are a you female? i'm starting to think you're a female. why are you still crying about me calling a spade a spade. see, unlike heretic like you who follows his desires, i don't decide by myself what makes a woman virtuous - i leave that allah swt. you'll never see me, unlike you, calling a hijab-less woman who brags about indulging in zina and doing drugs a virtuous woman, and in the process distort, misuse and water-down the deen of allah swt.

[ModerateMuslim]

you consistently make threads posts insulting other qabils.

and not only are you a heretic but you're also a filthy liar.

[Leila25]

Senoritaa

If you wanted to talk you would turn to your friends, family, local imam, counselling you would not go to see your solicitor to file for divorce. This is what these women expect from the shariah court. Some of them might not go through it, but my problem with the shariah court in London is that they have one approach to all cases and that is to reconcile the couple regardless of the circumstances.

[peace-]

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[Crazy Cat Lady]

Nobleman, domestic abuse is 'a misfortunate incident'?!!
I hope you never marry

Crazy your deranged! do you know the full incident? can you safely assume the man was not being hit and insulted by his wife and reacted in anger or defence? What you dont understand that women are very emotive beings, she probably acted right then based on her feelings, only to be granted a divorce and regret it the next day because of the relationship she had with her husband. Hence why the sheikh was right to attempt reconcilition before granting a divorce. No matter what your heart appear to be sealed and you will never understand the wisdom of Islam, without criticsing it because you dont agree with it or doesnt conform to your western taught beliefs. You need a serious reality check if your actual life is anything like your opinions on snet.

Every topic and your indirect digs at anything islamic is apparent now, everyone knows your true colours.

'Women are very emotional beings' also did you know women have only 10% of the brain capacity of men?
When a man punches/slaps/kicks you, you act on the feeling of betrayal and hurt, you cannot reconcile after that kind of a violation occurs. Though I don't judge the sisters who do reconcile with their abusers.
Nobleman, I'm a practising Muslim, stop talking to me like you know me. All I do is point out some of the ways people try to distort my faith to suit their ends.

[*Nobleman*]

am all for womens rights and someone like you should be well aware of how Islam is the most progressive religion in terms of women rights. Therefore you shouldnt be using isolated incidents like above to paint Islam as a religion harsh on women.

I have not mentioned Islam, do you actually read my posts before you respond? My issue is with the Shariah court in London, i can criticise the way it deals with divorce. My opinion is based on that in reality one way approach to solve problems does not work for everyone. The sheikh has more experience than me, but let us not treat their judgements as sacred please or else we will start censoring ourselves.

It looks like your the one not reading my posts before you respond. I said regardless of your oppinion its safe to assume that the sheikh has much more experience and knowledge than you based on this issue. We can sit here all day and discuss our oppinion on this case, but bottom line your criticisms are nothing more than oppinions, where as the sheikh has knowledge and expertise which form his oppinion, therefore i'd rather take the view of the sheikh and my oppinion that reconciliation is better in all circumstances than divorce.

[*Nobleman*]

notsonoblehypocrite,

are a you female? i'm starting to think you're a female. why are you still crying about me calling a spade a spade. see, unlike heretic like you who follows his desires, i don't decide by myself what makes a woman virtuous - i leave that allah swt. you'll never see me, unlike you, calling a hijab-less woman who brags about indulging in zina and doing drugs a virtuous woman, and in the process distort, misuse and water-down the deen of allah swt.

you consistently make threads posts insulting other qabils.

and not only are you a heretic but you're also a filthy liar.

Oh hi troll. We have had this discussion before and you were dismissed then. Again you should know insulting a lady and making slander against here chasity is a big sin, especially when you have not witnessed anything. This is one of the baiscs of the deen you claimed to be more knowledgable than the rest of us in.

[*Nobleman*]

Nobleman, domestic abuse is 'a misfortunate incident'?!!
I hope you never marry

Crazy your deranged! do you know the full incident? can you safely assume the man was not being hit and insulted by his wife and reacted in anger or defence? What you dont understand that women are very emotive beings, she probably acted right then based on her feelings, only to be granted a divorce and regret it the next day because of the relationship she had with her husband. Hence why the sheikh was right to attempt reconcilition before granting a divorce. No matter what your heart appear to be sealed and you will never understand the wisdom of Islam, without criticsing it because you dont agree with it or doesnt conform to your western taught beliefs. You need a serious reality check if your actual life is anything like your opinions on snet.

Every topic and your indirect digs at anything islamic is apparent now, everyone knows your true colours.

'Women are very emotional beings' also did you know women have only 10% of the brain capacity of men?
When a man punches/slaps/kicks you, you act on the feeling of betrayal and hurt, you cannot reconcile after that kind of a violation occurs. Though I don't judge the sisters who do reconcile with their abusers.
Nobleman, I'm a practising Muslim, stop talking to me like you know me. All I do is point out some of the ways people try to distort my faith to suit their ends.

Women being emotional is a fact not an insult to demean women. Also what i am trying to say is you dont know the full story behind this case and cannot comprehend why the sheikh was insisting on reconcilation.

Also for a practicing muslim you are unusually taking a lot of digs at Islam which has been well noted by many forumers. I am in no position to make takfir on anyone so dont assume i am.