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Will Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Get Fair Trial?

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:14 am
by General Duke
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1. Obama said: "I don't think it will be offensive at all when he's convicted and when the death penalty is applied to him."

2. Eric holder, the Attorney General, said: "What I told the prosecutors and what I will tell you is that failure is not an option. These are cases that have to be won." "I don't expect that we will have a contrary result."

3. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was subjected to torture, including 183 waterboardings.

4. Due to the recession, the state and NY city are expected to generate huge profits from this Trial of the Millennium.


In light of the above 4, do you think he will get a fair trial? If Obama and his Attorney General say the outcome of the trial can only be a conviction and death penalty, what's the point of the trial? I think this looks like a Kangaroo trial.

Re: Will Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Get Fair Trial?

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:15 am
by grandpakhalif
He wants to be executed and be a matyr it doesn't matter if it's fair or not. :shock:

Re: Will Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Get Fair Trial?

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:20 am
by hanad_mn
I don't even think Khalid Sheikh Muxamad has anything to do with 911. Pakistani offically had to arrest someone to show america that they are ally on the war on terror.

How can a muslim order planes run into buildings? Their would be children, elderly, Other muslims and so many other innocent people. Allah won't permit that.

Re: Will Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Get Fair Trial?

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:23 am
by General Duke
He wants to be executed and be a matyr it doesn't matter if it's fair or not. :shock:
If he wants to be executed, and if they're going to execute him-- what's the point of the trial? I doubt he wants to be executed and be a martyr. For one, he was tortured for years, including 183 confirmed waterboardings. Everything he confessed to or said was extracted through torture.

Re: Will Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Get Fair Trial?

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:35 am
by grandpakhalif
He wants to be executed and be a matyr it doesn't matter if it's fair or not. :shock:
If he wants to be executed, and if they're going to execute him-- what's the point of the trial? I doubt he wants to be executed and be a martyr. For one, he was tortured for years, including 183 confirmed waterboardings. Everything he confessed to or said was extracted through torture.
in the preliminary he stated "I will die for jihad, and be a matyr for God"

Re: Will Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Get Fair Trial?

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:40 am
by General Duke
in the preliminary he stated "I will die for jihad, and be a matyr for God"
Did he state that on his own? Or was he threatened to state so? When you're in the custody of authorities who torture you, do you have the free will to state what you want to state? That he was tortured isn't a rumor; it's a fact.

Re: Will Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Get Fair Trial?

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:50 am
by grandpakhalif
in the preliminary he stated "I will die for jihad, and be a matyr for God"
Did he state that on his own? Or was he threatened to state so? When you're in the custody of authorities who torture you, do you have the free will to state what you want to state? That he was tortured isn't a rumor; it's a fact.
he really said it out of his own will, the US don't him to have glory so thats why they rethinking having the trial in NY

Re: Will Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Get Fair Trial?

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:55 am
by General Duke
he really said it out of his own will, the US don't him to have glory so thats why they rethinking having the trial in NY
What about what the media says about NY profiting from this trial?

Re: Will Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Get Fair Trial?

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:19 pm
by General Duke
KSM civilian trial is a sham

The Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, KSM, civilian trial is not intended to be a legitimate trial. The originally intended military tribunal would have at least been fair and lawful. But fair and lawful is not what the KSM trial is about; instead, the trial is to keep those Obama supporters that want civilian trials quiet. The President is willing to pay too high a price for their silence.

President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder’s assurances of a conviction “make a mockery of due process,” according to James Taranto of the Wall Street Journal’s Best of the Web Today. Other critics have not been so kind.

How is this so? Isn’t Taranto over reacting? Aren’t all of the critics overreacting? “Make a mockery of due process” is an extremely strong statement. Taranto is accusing the President and Attorney General of shredding the most fundamental of our Constitutional rights, due process. How can he say this?

To answer these questions, let’s examine a hypothetical situation only to gain a different, perhaps unique perspective of the KSM situation.

Imagine for a moment that a U.S. citizen has been accused of committing a crime in Iran. That U.S. citizen has been arrested by Iranian police and will now face the Iranian justice system. Amidst debate over the justice and fairness of the trial both inside Iran and throughout the world, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says in a speech:

“What I told the prosecutors and what I will tell you and what I spoke to them about is that failure is not an option. Failure is not an option. This–these are cases that have to be won. I don’t expect that we will have a contrary result.”

What chance do you think our U.S. citizen has of receiving a fair trial in Iran based on that statement?

Your answer was probably something like, “Not much,” or “No chance at all.”

Now, let’s change the name of the speaker of those words to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder. We can do this because the above statement was Holder’s exact words in response to questioning by Senator Herb Kohl (D-Wis) during Holder’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Imagine the reaction of all of those people world-wide that view the U.S. as the great Satan. Think of all of the world’s anger after eight years of President Bush, and now we are going to hold a supposedly civilian trial on a case in which the President of the United States and the Attorney General are both guaranteeing convictions. Do those people that hate us, or don’t trust us, see the situation any differently than the way you saw the hypothetical situation of the U.S. citizen being held in Iran? Will the international community really believe KSM had a fair trial now that the President and the Attorney General have all but guaranteed convictions?

Wait. It actually gets worse.

Senator Kohl’s concern, the reason for the questioning that led to Holder’s statement, is that there really aren’t any guarantees on the outcome of a trial; or at least there is not supposed to be guarantees. No matter how strong the prosecution’s case, there is always the chance that a judge will dismiss the case on a technicality or a jury will find some part of the defense’s case compelling.

Holder clearly attempted to evade addressing that issue. Until later.

In a blog post appropriately titled, “It doesn’t really matter,” WSB Radio’s Washington correspondent Jaime Dupree wrote that later Holder did answer Kohl’s question. If KSM and others like him are acquitted they would not be released. He would be declared an “enemy combatant” and could be held indefinitely.

And that is the KSM situation simplified. KSM is not getting a civil trial nor is he being given the Constitutional rights of a U.S. citizen. The whole civil trial thing is a sham to silence Obama’s supporters that are demanding civil trials and it’s all out there for the whole world to see and to judge.

Failure really is Not an option.

http://mindyourowndamnbusinesspolitics. ... is-a-sham/

Re: Will Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Get Fair Trial?

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:28 pm
by *Nobleman*
Fair trail lool, dont you hate what these guys preach and then practice? fock me after 183 waterboarding sessions i'd focking admit to flying planes into buildings even though i had nothing to do with that.

Re: Will Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Get Fair Trial?

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:37 pm
by General Duke
Fair trail lool, dont you hate what these guys preach and then practice? fock me after 183 waterboarding sessions i'd focking admit to flying planes into buildings even though i had nothing to do with that.
I think most of us would admit to anything after 1 waterboarding session. 183 sessions is truly sadistic.

Re: Will Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Get Fair Trial?

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:45 pm
by Crazy Cat Lady
Fair trail lool, dont you hate what these guys preach and then practice? fock me after 183 waterboarding sessions i'd focking admit to flying planes into buildings even though i had nothing to do with that.
I think most of us would admit to anything after 1 waterboarding session. 183 sessions is truly sadistic.
I think the murder of over 2000 civilians was more sadistic.

Re: Will Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Get Fair Trial?

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:54 pm
by *Nobleman*
Fair trail lool, dont you hate what these guys preach and then practice? fock me after 183 waterboarding sessions i'd focking admit to flying planes into buildings even though i had nothing to do with that.
I think most of us would admit to anything after 1 waterboarding session. 183 sessions is truly sadistic.
I think the murder of over 2000 civilians was more sadistic.

To be honest there was no substantial evidence he did anything, not saying i think he was innocent, but evidence has to be strong, i cant imagine a man in a remote cave ochestrating such an attack, def some conspiracy or cover up.

Re: Will Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Get Fair Trial?

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:56 pm
by General Duke
I think the murder of over 2000 civilians was more sadistic.
Not many agree on who was behind the attacks. A lot of people have their doubts. Even some or many cabinet members of the Obama administration have their doubts. For instance, Anthony "Van" Jones, Obama's former Special Advisor for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, believes the US government (headed then by Bush) was behind the attacks. I don't believe someone like Anthony "Van" Jones is a conspiracy nut.

Re: Will Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Get Fair Trial?

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:01 pm
by Crazy Cat Lady
I think the murder of over 2000 civilians was more sadistic.
Not many agree on who was behind the attacks. A lot of people have their doubts. Even some or many cabinet members of the Obama administration have their doubts. For instance, Anthony "Van" Jones, Obama's former Special Advisor for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, believes the US government (headed then by Bush) was behind the attacks. I don't believe someone like Anthony "Van" Jones is a conspiracy nut.
Yes he is, which is why he was dismissed by the Obama administration, do you live in a cave?