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aduunyada waxaa ugu liid qof anaa aqoon lahaan oo aqoonyahan is mooda
labo buug bey akhriyayaan and they think they have it all figured out.

never fail to deliver, mancunian humour lol.

Even though i never agree with marcas smith, he has made some good points.

For the people who criticize somalis and their situation, what solutions do you propose?

Frankly, I don't think there is a solution. Somalis have no structure outside of their clan's and even those structures "hebelLand" or "AbuGroup" feature the same sort of stagnation. And outside of these groups, everyone seems to be an enemy.

Without structure, there can't be any revolution like say a Mao.

Voltage point taken...but over the 19 year's most Somalis have been criticising, heck my mother talks about how backward we are and how our reer baadiye instincts's work against our development but can you follow that up with concrete steps as to how Somali's are to overcome there wretched state . you have suggested reforms to our culture but how will that take place without a platform, I mean For ex. Somalia's literacy program had a firm promoter in Siyad Barre, a cultural shift needs a base Siyaad barre worked towards all those reforms because he had the environment, he had the stability and the control. I was watching the 'wax qabadkii kacaanka" and i was greatly impressed you could see the vision in Siyaad but his political doctrine lead him astray too, so he never conquored the divisive cultural elements(Qabiil)....Clealry through peace and stability you will find this base and with this education is a key factor in breaking down the Cultural defects you suggested.the point is you need to find solution's to the current quagmire inorder to find a platform for change.

N-man,

There is no solution for self-imposed ignorance and criminality. Somalis are beyond corrupt and selfish, that the idea of statehood and nationalism is foreign to them.

I blame your trendy garbasaar.

If it wasn't for liverpool, you would always have a full view.

aduunyada waxaa ugu liid qof anaa aqoon lahaan oo aqoonyahan is mooda
labo buug bey akhriyayaan and they think they have it all figured out.

never fail to deliver, mancunian humour lol.

Even though i never agree with marcas smith, he has made some good points.

For the people who criticize somalis and their situation, what solutions do you propose?

Frankly, I don't think there is a solution. Somalis have no structure outside of their clan's and even those structures "hebelLand" or "AbuGroup" feature the same sort of stagnation. And outside of these groups, everyone seems to be an enemy.

Without structure, there can't be any revolution like say a Mao.

that's somalis inside homeland, what about the generations who born or bred outside somalia?
what is their stand?

i can speak somalis from khaliij, being treated as ajnabi and having hard time to integrate with locals in a good way.
they lacking embicious and dream to advantage.

The only thing Somalis can do is lobby in the places they are, act locally, think globally so to speak

But how can other nations help you if your own people stand in the way?

The only thing Somalis can do is lobby in the places they are, act locally, think globally so to speak

But how can other nations help you if your own people stand in the way?

Fah wth? Do honestly believe that is possible? How can they lobby and for what? The only thing it comes down to is "what in it for my qabil?". I doubt that is thinking locally or globally

Why not just get rid of the "qabiil" idea? I know that sounds impossible but think about it, the only place I ever learnt about my qabiils is my relatives; its not like it was taught at school. The only thing that can get rid of it is islam.

Why not just get rid of the "qabiil" idea? I know that sounds impossible but think about it, the only place I ever learnt about my qabiils is my relatives; its not like it was taught at school. The only thing that can get rid of it is islam.

That used to be our last glimmer of hope until The Islamic Courts, Al Shabab, Ahlu El Sunna and Hizbu El Islam extinguished it with their holy urine.

Solution = going back to the basic teachings of Islam, not no spewed version sometimes promoted in somalia. Islam will destroy ignorance, qabilist thinking, inequality etc and will promote advancement and self sufficiency. Ideal solution, however very hard to impose with foreign influences in somalia.

Why not just get rid of the "qabiil" idea? I know that sounds impossible but think about it, the only place I ever learnt about my qabiils is my relatives; its not like it was taught at school. The only thing that can get rid of it is islam.

That used to be our last glimmer of hope until The Islamic Courts, Al Shabab, Ahlu El Sunna and Hizbu El Islam extinguished it with their holy urine.

To be honest they dont really represent Islam. They are just a gang of highwaymen in disguise.

Solution = going back to the basic teachings of Islam, not no spewed version sometimes promoted in somalia. Islam will destroy ignorance, qabilist thinking, inequality etc and will promote advancement and self sufficiency. Ideal solution, however very hard to impose with foreign influences in somalia.

Exactly, no matter if they established the most unpolluted from of islam, the gaalo would just see them as a "threat".

That's the problem though, Ganjaweed. How can your average person work out who represents Islam and who doesn't? After all these groups, why would any Somali listen to a new group claiming to be following the right path? The product has to be repackaged in an entierly different way. But how?

Why not just get rid of the "qabiil" idea? I know that sounds impossible but think about it, the only place I ever learnt about my qabiils is my relatives; its not like it was taught at school. The only thing that can get rid of it is islam.

That used to be our last glimmer of hope until Al Shabab and Hizbu El Islam extinguished it with their holy urine.

Islam is not the solution.

Islam is a RETARDING influence on society.

People should be religious if they choose to but society not be organized around religion but around the rule of law as determined by men.