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Re: A theory as to why Somalia is so backwards

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:05 am
by Crazy Cat Lady
Islam is not the solution.

Islam is a RETARDING influence on society.

People should be religious if they choose to but society not be organized around religion but around the rule of law as determined by men.
Tol beele :shock:

Re: A theory as to why Somalia is so backwards

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:08 am
by baasta & bariis
Why not just get rid of the "qabiil" idea? I know that sounds impossible but think about it, the only place I ever learnt about my qabiils is my relatives; its not like it was taught at school. The only thing that can get rid of it is islam.
Nonsense.

qabiil cannot just be gotten rid of.

You have to appreciate the sway it has on people's psychology. It's not something light that can be disregarded.

Re: A theory as to why Somalia is so backwards

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:49 am
by FAH1223
Solution = going back to the basic teachings of Islam, not no spewed version sometimes promoted in somalia. Islam will destroy ignorance, qabilist thinking, inequality etc and will promote advancement and self sufficiency. Ideal solution, however very hard to impose with foreign influences in somalia.
Of course, but the problem is none of these people can be trusted because they will always twist the religion to their ends.

There is no pragmatism with these Islamists and there is no constructive dialogue with the outside world. Its always, lets free this place, lets go to that place and fight...

Re: A theory as to why Somalia is so backwards

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:52 am
by *Nobleman*
Islam is not the solution.

Islam is a RETARDING influence on society.

People should be religious if they choose to but society not be organized around religion but around the rule of law as determined by men.

I disagree, if you look at muslim countries, there most successful periods where under khalifah or some sort of islamic state, most advancements in soceity and inventions were during this period. Islam is the one and only solution for lasting peace in somalia. Rule of law as created by man is what has got as into this situation. All the man made ideologies are deficient, Allah swt law and the sunnah of the Prophet SAW is perfect and supreme. You are obviously lost, referring to islam as a retarding influence.

Re: A theory as to why Somalia is so backwards

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:54 am
by ToughGong
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Re: A theory as to why Somalia is so backwards

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:59 am
by FAH1223
Islam is not the solution.

Islam is a RETARDING influence on society.

People should be religious if they choose to but society not be organized around religion but around the rule of law as determined by men.
Islam has laws. Better than ones made by men and societies in the past flourished under that.

Re: A theory as to why Somalia is so backwards

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:08 am
by ModerateMuslim
I have used this analogy before. If you take a German kid and a Conglese and swap their place of upbringing, the Congolese kid will become advanced while the German will stay stagnant having been raised in the environment provided to him which is in the Congo.
if we're talking about one generation, with today's realities, then the german kid would kick major a$$; he'd grow up in an environment where there are more potentials for him to utilize his inherited natural skills and advantages; whereas the congolese kid would be grown up in a society less in need of what he's to offer and therefore would be rendered useless. history is your prove on this.
There is no "intelligence" differences between humans along race. All humans are equally capable of the others' intelligence but it is a matter of who rears and gives an opportunity for that intelligence.
you're right about the first part. because by default races have the same potential when it comes to intelligence. but, in today's world, its a fact of reality that categorically some races are more advanced intelligently than others, e.g. the german 'race' and the congolese. why? because something like intelligence takes over many generations to develop, its just doesn't happen over night. so, for example, if a german kid and congolese were raised in the same environment and given the same opportunity, then, in theory, the german kid would still come ahead in life. because the german kid has genetic advantages (advancing intelligently was necessary for the survival of his ancestors), whereas the congolese kid has the handicap and disadvantages of having ancestors whom learning and attaining knowledge wasn't part of their way of life (it wasn't necessary for their survival). but this isn't linear and, more importantly, its not irreversible. one of the biggest threats to the survival of a race - and also most helpful in the development of intelligence - is when it comes in contact with a more advanced race; unfortunately for the races of sub-saharan africa this process has only start recently, in an age where the intelligence gap between the races has been larger than any other time in history.

Re: A theory as to why Somalia is so backwards

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:22 am
by Voltage
^The point flew over your head my brother, sho 'nuff did.
Islam is not the solution.

Islam is a RETARDING influence on society.

People should be religious if they choose to but society not be organized around religion but around the rule of law as determined by men.
Hyper, ban this b.itch please. :up:

Re: A theory as to why Somalia is so backwards

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:26 am
by ToughGong
^The point flew over your head my brother, sho 'nuff did.
Islam is not the solution.

Islam is a RETARDING influence on society.

People should be religious if they choose to but society not be organized around religion but around the rule of law as determined by men.
Hyper, ban this b.itch please. :up:
IN FACT WMD BAN SAARA

Re: A theory as to why Somalia is so backwards

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:27 am
by Shams al- Dawla
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Re: A theory as to why Somalia is so backwards

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:34 am
by Voltage
to overcome there wretched state . you have suggested reforms to our culture but how will that take place without a platform, I mean For ex. Somalia's literacy program had a firm promoter in Siyad Barre, a cultural shift needs a base Siyaad barre worked towards all those reforms because he had the environment, he had the stability and the control. I was watching the 'wax qabadkii kacaanka" and i was greatly impressed you could see the vision in Siyaad
That's why he is my political inspiration and ideological idol. God bless his soul. :som:

Somalia's only period of civilization and attempts toward development :up:
For years, people urged President Maxamed Siyaad Barre (RH) to allow the three languages to co-exist in Somalia (i.e. Italian, English and Somali). He furiously remarked: "The practice of using foreign languages besides the national one made it impossible in many African countries to fully implement their languages. Radical change is necessary"

And right he was, with his determined effort, Somalis have quickly forgotten that they have ever used the Italian and English scripts.

The distinguished linguist Professor B.W. Andrzejewski, remarked that "within eight years the Somali vocabulary has had to pass through a process of expansion which in some European languages took more than two centuries."

Dr. Warsame Indhoole, who was the head of the literacy campaign has managed to succesfully literate 70% of the Somali population.

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We shall forever be indebted to these three great men.

President Siyaad Barre for making it possible.
Shire Jama Axmed for developing our script.
Prof Warsame Indhool for planning and implementing the greatest literacy campaign the world has yet seen.

God Bless those heroes. Baal dahab ah bay waligood ku jiri doonaan. :som:

Re: A theory as to why Somalia is so backwards

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:43 am
by ModerateMuslim
voltage,

i do get that you're talking about a different scenario; i was just using your scenario to highlight the generational gap that exists between today's races in intelligence and its reality (which you don't take into account).

Re: A theory as to why Somalia is so backwards

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:44 am
by ModerateMuslim
Voltage you're appeasing almost apologizing for somali star's comments on the jews , the christians and everybody else and you wanna ban bariis iyo baasto ?
when did he apologize for my comments on the jews? and are negative, yet true, comments about the filthy jews - who're the most hated in the sight of allah swt - the same as slandering islam on a somali forum?

shamso, if you get offended by my comments about your beloved jewish brothers and sisters, then i suggest you don't read the book of allah swt or the sahih hadeet.

Re: A theory as to why Somalia is so backwards

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:46 am
by Voltage
What? I apologized for Somali_Star's asinine comments? Does Sahan know what apologizing for mean?
horta, everyone tends to forget this, but in today's there are some so-called 'humans' who've descended from apes (along with swines): the jews. so if they jews are 'humans', then the filthy atheists are in a way correct: the theory of evolution is (partly) true.
Ilaahoow hana cadaabin. So what do you want us to do? Laugh? Snicker? clap our hands with joy?

You sxb are the most lame, dull brained creature to grace this forum and after the likes of many other brain dead people we have witnessed, you should really see what we think of that comment there.
I am against this type of language and ignorance as much as I am against Bariis. My reaction to both is the same...where is the differentiation?

Re: A theory as to why Somalia is so backwards

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:48 am
by General Duke
Why is Somalia such a horrible country?

Look, here's the simple facts: Somalis have developed, through thousands of years, a way of life that worked for us. Unfortunately, because of geography, genetics, and perhaps other reasons, a significant portion of the rest of the non-black african world developed ways of living that are superior.

Somalis -- and the rest of black africa -- could any day be recolonized by the West, or colonized by China, and there is nothing black africans can do about it. Luckily, China, right now, doesn't care to colonize Africa, and the West isn't heartless anymore in that fashion.

We Somalis largely act according to animal-like instinct. There is nothing more animal like than tribalism, and tribalism is basically our whole existence -- not a mere part, but the substantial element defining our lives.

The West, however, largely acts according to Reason. It's children are raised in such a way as to look at the world through the spectacles of Reason -- and I would say the same is true, to a somewhat lesser extent, in Asia. If a society behaves largely according Reason, it will be undeniably superior to a society organized according to religion or not organized according to anything at all.

The problem is that in order to set up a society according to the dictates of Reason, you need a lot of smart people. Unfortunately it could be the case that black Africa lacks enough smart people to establish a society comparable to what the West and Asia have achieved.

It isn't that the average black African is stupid, but that Africa simply lacks the sort of smart people and geniuses that could be revolutionary leaders.

Really smart people tend to constitute the "creative class" that a society needs to flourish -- architects, engineers, scientists, writers, and so in.

In the West, the average IQ is 100. Just 14% of people in the West have an IQ higher than 115, and just 2% have an IQ higher than 130. That 14% -- and among them that 2% with an IQ greater than 130 -- are the people for whom we depend on nearly everything: to be inventors, to be doctors, to be architects, to be leaders, to be business creators, to be lawyers, to be engineers, and so on.

Most importantly, we need them to establish and care about the rule of law.

Suppose -- just suppose -- that black Africa lacks enough such smart people. Again, it's not that the AVERAGE black african is mentally retarded but that there just aren't enough smart people in his society. Not just the inventors and the business creators but also the sort of smart people who can establish and lead their people into creating a society based on the rule of law.

Naturally, the result is the sort of chaotic, hellish and unlivable (hence why we emigrate) society that constitutes black Africa.

It's time we Somalis -- and I say all black people -- to perhaps acknowledge the possibility that we are mentally disadvantaged in some very important ways.
It doesn't look like a theory to me; more like a personal opinion.