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Re: The real face of Shia

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:48 pm
by LobsterUnit
@SOmalistar, not only, but he is also a tribal expert, in typical mould.
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Yalaxow, Ibn Taymiyahs view wasn't any different than to Ibn Kathir on the mongols. i challenge you to call him a warlord too.i think you should study more and read rather than relying on hearsay. If you think Shias don't aid kufar against muslims, then you do not know history. Who is Nur al maliki who are the northern alliance? This is all unimportant anyway since there are heroes and traitors in every group.

Re: The real face of Shia

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:52 pm
by DR-YALAXOOW
djibsomali HES too skinny to do THAT. HES A PERSON who chew JAAD 24 7 LIKE ANY OTHER JABUTIANS, if he looses little blood he got ,i dont think he could survive loosing so much blood like those ARAB SHIAS in ciraaaq :down: :down:

Re: The real face of Shia

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:59 pm
by DR-YALAXOOW
@SOmalistar, not only, but he is also a tribal expert, in typical mould.
:down:


Yalaxow, Ibn Taymiyahs view wasn't any different than to Ibn Kathir on the mongols. i challenge you to call him a warlord too.i think you should study more and read rather than relying on hearsay. If you think Shias don't aid kufar against muslims, then you do not know history. Who is Nur al maliki who are the northern alliance? This is all unimportant anyway since there are heroes and traitors in every group.
you dont know nothing about warlord ibnuthaymin. infact he was just lunitic who end up sitting in prison and dying there. one of hes famous fatwa agains TARTAARS, and not mny wahaabi fellowers know that tartaar were sunna muslims and imaam bukhaari was a tartaar from town bukhaara which today one of nations in former soviet.
If you think Shias don't aid kufar against muslims, then you do not know history. Who is Nur al maliki who are the northern alliance
nuur al miliki :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: man hes not worst :lol: than sunni muslim man xamiiid karzai, maliki is trying to build a nation. any help he can get is needed. what abOut SAUUDI Family wahaabism whit their trilion dollars in to mareykankaa??

Re: The real face of Shia

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:30 pm
by LobsterUnit
^^ yOU have a habit of posting your emotions and opinions as facts. This is what Ibn Al atheer and Ibn Katheer said about the tartars and mongols:
""I have for several years restrained myself from mentioning the Tatar event, the remembrance of which causes me to shudder. Even now I hesitate to recall it, for who can write an epitaph for Islam and the Muslims? Who can find it possible to recount the tragedy? Oh, that my mother had not given me birth, or that I had died before this moment; Yet, I have been urged by a group of friends to outline a record of the event, and find that to decline their request would benefit me nothing...It was such a great catastrophe the like of which the days and the nights are too sterile to produce. It swept all of mankind, but particularly the Muslims. If it is said that since Creation there has been nothing like it the saying would be true. Histories have never seen its likeness; and may Future never bring about anything approximating it until the Final Destruction of the world by Gog and Maggog [Armagiddon]...They [The Tatar] sparned no one: they killed men, women, and children. They cut open the wombs of those with child. They destroyed unborn babies...They killed and robbed and vanadalized. Even Alexander who, by the concensus of historians, ruled the world, did not invade it as rapidly and as rampantly as these. It took him twenty years, but for them the ravage took less than a year. He did not kill or terrorize, he only subjected the world to his obedience. They ravaged and destroyed. Neither they nor their animals had a sense of discrimination or discernment of what they ate. They knew neither marriage nor fatherood." Ibn al-Atheer, Al-Kaamil fee al-Taareekh, Vol XII, pp 137-8 "
ibn Katheer said:
Allah criticizes those who ignore Allah’s commandments which include every type of righteous good thing and prohibit every type of evil, but they refer instead to opinions, desires and customs that people themselves invented, all of which have no basis in Allah’s religion. During the time of Jahiliyyah, the people used to abide by the misguidance and ignorance that they invented by sheer opinion and lusts. The Tatar (Mongols) abided by the law that they inherited from their king Genghis Khan who wrote Al-Yaasiq for them. This book contains some rulings that were derived from various religions, such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Many of these rulings were derived from his own opinion and desires. Later on, these rulings became the followed law among his children, preferring them to the Law of the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger, sallallahu `alaihi wa sallam. Therefore, whoever does this, he is a disbeliever who deserves to be fought against, until he reverts to Allah’s and His Messenger’s decisions, so that no law, minor or major, is referred to except by His Law. Allah said,
Are you going to call them warlords too? Brother, never rely on opinion or copy hearsay you pick up. If Ibn Taymiyah was a warlord for making takfir ofg tartar, then what does that make Ibn Kathir? When you criticise you should always be just and not exaggerate.

Re: The real face of Shia

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:38 pm
by Ganjaweed
Lol at imam bukhari was a tartar. This dameer has absolutely no idea about history and has no clue about the donkey shi.t he is talking. Go back to the stables where you belong. :arrow:

Re: The real face of Shia

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:43 pm
by DR-YALAXOOW
^^ yOU have a habit of posting your emotions and opinions as facts. This is what Ibn Al atheer and Ibn Katheer said about the tartars and mongols:
""I have for several years restrained myself from mentioning the Tatar event, the remembrance of which causes me to shudder. Even now I hesitate to recall it, for who can write an epitaph for Islam and the Muslims? Who can find it possible to recount the tragedy? Oh, that my mother had not given me birth, or that I had died before this moment; Yet, I have been urged by a group of friends to outline a record of the event, and find that to decline their request would benefit me nothing...It was such a great catastrophe the like of which the days and the nights are too sterile to produce. It swept all of mankind, but particularly the Muslims. If it is said that since Creation there has been nothing like it the saying would be true. Histories have never seen its likeness; and may Future never bring about anything approximating it until the Final Destruction of the world by Gog and Maggog [Armagiddon]...They [The Tatar] sparned no one: they killed men, women, and children. They cut open the wombs of those with child. They destroyed unborn babies...They killed and robbed and vanadalized. Even Alexander who, by the concensus of historians, ruled the world, did not invade it as rapidly and as rampantly as these. It took him twenty years, but for them the ravage took less than a year. He did not kill or terrorize, he only subjected the world to his obedience. They ravaged and destroyed. Neither they nor their animals had a sense of discrimination or discernment of what they ate. They knew neither marriage nor fatherood." Ibn al-Atheer, Al-Kaamil fee al-Taareekh, Vol XII, pp 137-8 "
ibn Katheer said:
Allah criticizes those who ignore Allah’s commandments which include every type of righteous good thing and prohibit every type of evil, but they refer instead to opinions, desires and customs that people themselves invented, all of which have no basis in Allah’s religion. During the time of Jahiliyyah, the people used to abide by the misguidance and ignorance that they invented by sheer opinion and lusts. The Tatar (Mongols) abided by the law that they inherited from their king Genghis Khan who wrote Al-Yaasiq for them. This book contains some rulings that were derived from various religions, such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Many of these rulings were derived from his own opinion and desires. Later on, these rulings became the followed law among his children, preferring them to the Law of the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger, sallallahu `alaihi wa sallam. Therefore, whoever does this, he is a disbeliever who deserves to be fought against, until he reverts to Allah’s and His Messenger’s decisions, so that no law, minor or major, is referred to except by His Law. Allah said,
Are you going to call them warlords too? Brother, never rely on opinion or copy hearsay you pick up. If Ibn Taymiyah was a warlord for making takfir ofg tartar, then what does that make Ibn Kathir? When you criticise you should always be just and not exaggerate.

i will not call ibnu khateer as warlord, but just one question do you agree whit me MONGOLS tataars were muslims lets say IBNUTHAMIYAH time

suaaal diintii ay heeysteen maxay aheeyd tartaarka???

plz dont make them takfiiri if they were muslims?? you can only make them gaalo if they were christians r budist or HINDUS then yes they were gaalo BUT IF THEY WERE MUSLIMS, markaa waaa inaad tiraahdaa kaliya haa muslimiin ayey ahaayeen.

suaasheeyda waa what religion do they hade mongols the time ibnuthaymin was alive??