The one good thing abouot Shabaab's Somalia today.

[Murax]

Well actually its not the fact that He's Isaaq but its that He's not from deeganka. Wallahi I wouldn't care if it was a local Biyomaal, Gaaljecel, Sheikhaal, OGadeen, Marexaan etc. laakin someone that is not from deeganka and on top of that is a shady figuire is unacceptable. Even America who's political system You admire from afar always uses campaign slogans for their polititions like "I was born and rasied Here". Thats like the first thing campaigners use, When they are running for office in a State as a Governer/Senator etc. Are You telling Me Reer Jubba cannot find educated, capable people that hail from deeganka to lead?

Sxb waa muwaadin. Any Somali man is a muwaadin of any Somali land. In civil war times, degaan basically itnerchanges with tribe. In pre-civil war Somalia, deegaan interchanged with actual residency. What makes the Mareexaan from Caabudwaaq acceptable in Kismaayo or the Ogaadeen from Qoroxay, but not the Isaaq man from Hargeisa? Deegaanka is a code word for tribe in these times.

First of all theres no State institution in Somalia today and hasn't been for the past 20 years. Theres no such thing as a xukuumad and muwaadniniin. Today in Somalia You have two groups: Masaakiin, and Exploiters who are there exploiting those masaakiin. This Godane focker Has no vested interest in Jubooyinka's safety and horumar and is just there to milk and loot as much as He can for His personal pockets and leave. Incompetent and a crook. Now if You get a local Guy who's competent and Has some sort of noble character, You will actually see Hormar. They are plenty and available, but first Jubooyinka Has to be cleaned out from the two evils, Shishkabab and Warlordship

[Voltage]

First of all theres no State institution in Somalia today and hasn't been for the past 20 years. Theres no such thing as a xukuumad and muwaadniniin. Today in Somalia You have two groups: Masaakiin, and Exploiters who are there exploiting those masaakiin. This Godane focker Has no vested interest in Jubooyinka's safety and horumar and is just there to milk and loot as much as He can for His personal pockets and leave. Incompetent and a crook. Now if You get a local Guy who's competent and Has some sort of noble character, You will actually see Hormar. They are plenty and available, but first Jubooyinka Has to be cleaned out from the two evils, Shishkabab and Warlordship

I agree bro. Do you agree it is sad a Shabaab man is head of Jubooyinka and not an Isaaq, non-deegaan?

[Murax]

First of all theres no State institution in Somalia today and hasn't been for the past 20 years. Theres no such thing as a xukuumad and muwaadniniin. Today in Somalia You have two groups: Masaakiin, and Exploiters who are there exploiting those masaakiin. This Godane focker Has no vested interest in Jubooyinka's safety and horumar and is just there to milk and loot as much as He can for His personal pockets and leave. Incompetent and a crook. Now if You get a local Guy who's competent and Has some sort of noble character, You will actually see Hormar. They are plenty and available, but first Jubooyinka Has to be cleaned out from the two evils, Shishkabab and Warlordship

I agree bro. Do you agree it is sad a Shabaab man is head of Jubooyinka and not an Isaaq, non-deegaan?

Ofcourse, its the fact that We have Shabab in control thats the worst. Now don't get Me wrong, if Somalia is to return to its Government type days, Heck I don't care if the Governer is from Siberia, as there is just one rule of Law and He would be nothing but an agent for one authority. However until Somalia gets to that point Where We have a stable Government in Mogadishu, I do believe in local, competent leadership.

[galia2]

Voltage what you fail to realize is that shabaab evidently thanks to their stupid policies and politics bring greater doom than the tribalism you are talking about. I mean its not like the Jubba regions still has peace, considering the constant skirmishers bet wen XI and shabaab in the region

Anyone with a functional mind would run away from these goons who say that Osama bin Laden is their leader, that they would conquer the world etc Shabaab obviously looks like a death cult, its not something that would last and those peoples who support them walk to their own doom.

But Voltage i just guess you too dumb to see this coming, so i say Kudos. Preach how great shabaab is to your fellow boons and i would gladly cheer along.
I and my clan have clearly made our choice to what is acceptable to Islam and what is best to our own kids future

[oldenglish]

Kismaayo will return to its rightful hands- from Canoole to Jilib to Calanley. LONG LIVE SOUTHERN MAAKHIR

[The_Patriot]

dude The head of Juboyinka is Idoor while that cannot be said is true of Kista. ok lets forget about Marexan for know tell me what security they have brought in juboyinka that has been missing after the fall of MSB govt.
What other thing apart from security have they also brought? I mean you know that no schools, hospitals, institutions have been built all they do is threaten the west and siphon the revenue from kista prot which was last renovated by MSB govt.

Again you need to go back to the premise of my argument. I don't care about Shabaab the organization per se, I only highlight one redeeming consequence of their rise which is the destablization of the tribal political structure. An Isaaq man is governor of Jubba, a Majeerteen man heads Merka, etc etc etc but the fact is none of these people are working for the tribes they belong to. They are working for a single organization, and no matter how grave that organization this is a phenemon new to the Somali people in the civil war. Why are you stuck on a Mareexaan man is head of Kismaayo for them? That Mareexaan man is the same one who chased away the Mareexaan militias. He doesn't represent Mareexaan nor did he get that position because Mareexaan rule but rather because he is a member of that organization. Basically I am saying have qualms a Shabaab member is head of Kismaayo, but don't be stuck on his tribe which is irrelevant to his standing in that organization.

dude we are not living in the kacanka era, this is post somali civil war. Gone are the days where you will just forfiet authority in the spirit of Somalinimo.
What Shabab are doing is not called nation building its called uprooting the pillars.


If what you say of Shabab is true then they would have been running the show from Ras casery to Ras kambooni what makes them not advance an inch further is due to the fact that somalis are divided more than ever and that Shabab is not a fair representation of the somali people.

The composition of Somalis clans is disproportionate while the strange thing is those that hold power hail from regions that do not entertain these bigots.

so for know they are just abusing the hospitality of the people of the regions they occupy nothing more nothing less.

[Voltage]

Ofcourse, its the fact that We have Shabab in control thats the worst. Now don't get Me wrong, if Somalia is to return to its Government type days, Heck I don't care if the Governer is from Siberia, as there is just one rule of Law and He would be nothing but an agent for one authority. However until Somalia gets to that point Where We have a stable Government in Mogadishu, I do believe in local, competent leadership.

[Voltage]

Voltage what you fail to realize is that shabaab evidently thanks to their stupid policies and politics bring greater doom than the tribalism you are talking about. I mean its not like the Jubba regions still has peace, considering the constant skirmishers bet wen XI and shabaab in the region

Anyone with a functional mind would run away from these goons who say that Osama bin Laden is their leader, that they would conquer the world etc Shabaab obviously looks like a death cult, its not something that would last and those peoples who support them walk to their own doom.

But Voltage i just guess you too dumb to see this coming, so i say Kudos. Preach how great shabaab is to your fellow boons and i would gladly cheer along.
I and my clan have clearly made our choice to what is acceptable to Islam and what is best to our own kids future

Galia can you still insulting my clan? I don't know anywhere I ever mentioned your clan and as for the your response, I don't think there is anything worse than lawless tribalism for the Somali people.

[The_Patriot]

Ofcourse, its the fact that We have Shabab in control thats the worst. Now don't get Me wrong, if Somalia is to return to its Government type days, Heck I don't care if the Governer is from Siberia, as there is just one rule of Law and He would be nothing but an agent for one authority. However until Somalia gets to that point Where We have a stable Government in Mogadishu, I do believe in local, competent leadership.

that is what you missed in your article V.
But to tell you the truth there will be never a unified Somali Govt it would either be a weak one that serves Ethiopia.

A unified Somalia is a mirage.

[galia2]

Voltage excuse me for insulting your clan, sadly it has become my habit.

Al-shabaab is collapsing, following todays assassination of one of its leaders. It can't overthrow the TFG nor defeat ASWJ, its boxed and greatly unpopular.
Funny how they always shoot themselves in the feet, every time, saying how they are AQ, death to America etc. As if that would help them. They would always be just a rebel group to be hunted and unlikely to become a government.
Anyway Kudos to their daroods supporters evidently they will burn with, seeing how Hawiye is now all united behind the TFG.
The west is obviously going to arm hawiye to the teeth

Probably patriot is correct abt somalia never being united but there can be a strong united hawiye, all we need is leaders like shariff iyo caalin to continue to show us the way with their vision. Hawiye just build your selfs up and let these daroods sink with their shabaab tales

[Voltage]

Ofcourse, its the fact that We have Shabab in control thats the worst. Now don't get Me wrong, if Somalia is to return to its Government type days, Heck I don't care if the Governer is from Siberia, as there is just one rule of Law and He would be nothing but an agent for one authority. However until Somalia gets to that point Where We have a stable Government in Mogadishu, I do believe in local, competent leadership.

that is what you missed in your article V.
But to tell you the truth there will be never a unified Somali Govt it would either be a weak one that serves Ethiopia.

A unified Somalia is a mirage.

Sxb god knows. When Lincoln was for the unity of his nation, there were times where he though he would never rule over a united nation. We don't know.

[galia2]

I used to be a somali nationalist but that change the sooner i realised to the extent these daroods hated us.
Somalia has little chance but that does not mean Hawiye does not. We need smart men like sheikh shariff, to build up Mogadishu. Flush out the shabaab militias iyo Hizbul Islam cronies. Continue to help the formation of hawiye regional states loyal to the TFG. To fix somalia, we need to first fix our selfs, i mean just look here most of these daroods are gone beyond help. They don't even know what they want, hell they don't even wish to be part of somalia anymore. Worse they hate each other more than anything else

[The_Patriot]

V, to tell you the truth lets hope for that day the day the Emirates of Axmed Grang is revived
But for the moment its dog it dog

[galia2]

If a Absame and Sade can't trust each other than how can Hawiye come in the picture without exploiting one against the other, like we have always done. Instead of us, it is death cult groups such as shabaab exploiting these two brotherly clans against the other.

I know they both hate us as a hawiye, so fcuk them
We hawiye are now with the americans and by Allah we will kill those shabaab bastards and tear them from limb to limb.

[galia2]

Hell even if shabaab leave these people and they form there own Jubba land, i don't think that they would want anything to do with the TFG and would in fact seek to destroy it. They could just be another anti-hawiye darood state like puntland.
So props to shabaab for keeping these motherfcukers at bay until Mogadishu is fully operational and booming