Postby dhuusa_deer » Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:37 am
Hydra,
"According to your comment in another thread, you would follow spinoza's concept of God if atheism wasn't an option for you, Why is that?"
Many reasons.
I said 'Spinoza's God' for specific reason. The 'God' of Pantheism, which is Spinoza's God, is ungodlike. Many Pantheist don't even use the word 'God' to describe their supreme being. The name God is has universal meaning across many denominations in stark contrast to the meaning of Pantheist's 'God'.
Spinoza's God (S-God) is part of ALL the natural laws of the universe. His existance 'necessitates' the 'creation' or existance of our universe. Since natural laws of the universe are extension of S-God, and S-God exits, its given that our universe must come into existance too. S-God didn't not have free will and one day decided to 'create' our universe from nothing. Our universe was 'created' or formed in compliance with and becuz of the natural laws of the universe.
These natural laws of the universe govern everything from living to non-living. From biological to chemical to physical. Everything that 'is' is as the result of the actions of these natural laws. We come to know these natural laws to be invariant. We know this from looking in deep space at other galaxies which obey the same laws as ours. We also know this from looking back in history (looking into deep space), billions of years ago, in which these invariant natural seemed to be at work. Therefore, its reasonable to say that these invariant natural laws existed prior the formation of our universe and will probably exist after our universe dies.
One appealing concept to me about S-God is, unlike other Gods, its personal God. S-God doesn't have human-like emotions like anger, hate, fear and prejudice. S-God doesn't have hell or heaven, in his eyes no one is good or bad, right or wrong. S-God can't bend, change or alter invariant natural laws. S-God doesn't have favourites, no one can claim to be suprior becuz they 'believe' in S-God, as S-God doesn't reward worship.
There are no religious texts sent down by S-God, no prophets. S-God never communicated with us. His only contact with us is through these invariant natural laws.
Lastly, knowing more about these invariant natural laws will get us closer to knowing the truth about 'God'. Once we find a unified theory explaining the ALL natural laws, the holy grail of modern physics and cosmology, we would, as Stephen Hawkin put it 'know the mind of God'.
To me all of this makes sense and don't have any philosophical problems with it, other than not seeing the need for a 'God'.
"Do you also know how his definition of God differs from that of Islam if you know the concept of God in islam?"
The God of Islam, like that of all other monotheistic faiths (Judaism, christianity and Zoroasterism), is omnipotent, omnipresent, omnisceince and benevolent. The God of Islam has human emotions like anger, sadness and happiness. Demands worship and rewards it. Those that don't, go to hell. Has heaven and hell in the after world. Some humans are suprior in his view becuz they believe.
In my view all this sounds human invention. Laden with projections of human fears, desires, hopes and prejudices.