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Kenya trying to steal the economic future of Somalia.

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Re: Kenya trying to steal the economic future of Somalia.

Postby Basra- » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:52 pm

:o :o Vo huh??? Did i read what i just read? Sorry, for the long delay in response, i was being 'shukaasi-ed' by a co-worker! Anyway, vo i totally find your controversial mode of thinking insulting. Now, first--in defense of Farahs-- why r u comparing men muruqa and womens brains? Why didnt u apply equal criteria for both sexes? That is ---establish bantu man being more intelligent or less intelligent than a farah? Or is that a no brainer miah? Farah will win in the brains ma ha?

Bantu man has to be given something dhee! We cant deprive them of brains and muruqa! That would be dictatorship, and Allaah knows best. :up:


No one is disputing their muruqa abilities-- and i will go further-- no one is disputing their prowess in the bedroom skills, but here we are talking about nasaabniimo! The looks of a tribe or race. The alongated distinghuished nose, the refined long shiny forehead, the sri lanka soft hair- contrasted to the wide, apeology phenomenon nostril of the adoon! :clap: :clap:


Walaal, why r u claiming ignorance in this matter? U r a very capital traditionalist! Or is it that your traditionalism only applies to the colonial cadaans?? :o :o

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Re: Kenya trying to steal the economic future of Somalia.

Postby Voltage » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:45 pm

without going anywhere else, Somalis in Kenya compared to Bantus are doing exceptional well but that does not make them in anyway superior to the natives.
Who told you Somalis are doing well? By what standards? As Somalis, we are so removed from the established bars with which the rest of humanity judges itself, that the lowest bar is the highest bar we achieve for.

My neighborhood two block Chinatown area has more capital turn around and is more developed then all of the business "empire" Somalis self-boast of in the whole of Kenya, ironically enough the only economic capital we have to show for in that dingy, third-world slum-like local called "Eastleigh".

By what standards have Somalis done anything exceptional? You make a mockery of organized society's understanding of exceptional.

Somalis siday madaxa iskugu salaaxayeen baa reality dhan ka tagay. Refer back to my actual physical observations please. :up:
Garissa Lodge and Eastleigh are a slum and Somali "doing well" is a relative observation as I have already said because when you are in shit, anything makes you shine.

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First of all I slept in a hotel for a max 5 days in the whole three months I was there. My primary reason was for observation and anything that led to me not having an authentic experience belied the point. 99.99% of the Somali people there are desolate, they are needy, they have no protection from state or economic protection whatsoever. Eastleigh in its entirey, the "heralder" and the "prime example" of Somali wealth in that country is a slum and is without any argument the dirtiest, stinkiest, most disease filled slum in all of Nairobi after the major Black African slum. Open sewers run down the streets that do not exist (imagine a sandy pot holed piece of dirt road during rainy season). When it runs, the disease carrying pathogens and the smell of sewer abounds, when it doesn't rain you are lucky not to get asthma because of clogged lungs. Almost everyone and at least over 95 percentile of the Somali people that live there get financial support from relatives abroad because if they did not have this support it would be unthinkable for them to leave the refugees. Now because of inflation, price gauging of land and goods with impunity from Somali pirate money and the warlord money that left Mogadishu even the Somalis that could somehow subsist there even barely with financial support cannot do so now and are increasingly finding it difficult to survive. Not to mention even the beggers and poorest Kenyans who used to dwell there in the slum have been driven out because of this inflation (in a semi-slum) so the Kenyans are getting more frustrated and are increasingly liable to hit back physically.

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Dahabshiil which is supposedly the biggest Somali business there is doesn't even rake in 1 million in profits. Somalis and business/money is overblown. I realized this when I saw Eastleigh and how a place that has less business buildings then the nearest Asian block plaza is thought to be an "economic powerhouse".

I just got tired of all the "is qancis" Somalis like to do about themselves and fake pride when Somalis are the least developed specimens on earth. Somalia doens't have the "potential" to outpace the rest of the countries in the region. Somalia has zero middle class, Somalia has zero technocratic class, Somalia has a zero working class with polytechnic ability. Somalis are like parasites who took the Indians place in importing cheap goods from Dubai and Thailand, does that mean potential for Somalia? Somalis are middle men, they are not the "system". Before Somalia even thinks about potential, it needs to figure out how to build a self-sustaining system and it boggles my mind how that will be built with a society that is illiterate greater then the 90% level with zero skills that will fill in all the skill classes needed to run a successful society. So far we have a large low-skilled laborer class and traders, where are the carpenters, engineers, doctors, mechanics, machinists, architectures, administrative person?
p.s. There is nothing "business dominating" or taking over being the "new Indians" anywhere. Somalis open spazes, corner shacks of three stock cabinets in shanty-towns and the slums in South Africa driving the already lowest poor by upsetting price levels. There is nothing business about it OR remarkable. It is like Tanzanian migrants driving black corner shops from the ghettos of America. What a big achievement!

Also, I have been to Kenya, the Somali "business" there is as well over-inflated and over-stereotyped, again they only compete and affect the already poor. They cannot compete with let alone top real Kenyan business sector. Somalis have no professional positions, no productivity, nothing they are just petty traders using money profited from war in Somalia or piracy to bring cheap materials from Thailand and Dubai to the poor in Kenya. They don't impact the real Kenyan man or legitimitate Kenyan business. The reason why there is so much about it is because they are foreigners and the Kenyan corrupt system (one of the most corrupt in the world) has interest in keeping the angry majority poor concentrated on the three to four 5-story structures of "bakhaars" built in rundown slum-like Eastleigh.

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Re: Kenya trying to steal the economic future of Somalia.

Postby Basra- » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:21 pm

"Before Somalia even thinks about potential, it needs to figure out how to build a self-sustaining system and it boggles my mind how that will be built with a society that is illiterate greater then the 90% level with zero skills that will fill in all the skill classes needed to run a successful society. So far we have a large low-skilled laborer class and traders, where are the carpenters, engineers, doctors, mechanics, machinists, architectures, administrative person?"



Vo i cry tears for your hopelessness. Poor thing--- it looks like Somalia has ripped u of any hope or decencies to hope. Poor thing. :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Re: Kenya trying to steal the economic future of Somalia.

Postby LobsterUnit » Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:17 pm

this isn't fair. we want to have an anarchic neighbour.

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Re: Kenya trying to steal the economic future of Somalia.

Postby king of kismayo » Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:35 pm

foking somalis, if it wasn`t for the civil war, the arab petroll dollars would have been flooding into somalia and strategicly placed chinese money would be pouring into somalia, it would have been like 70`s
I cez who needs large investment when you got undp, unhrc, oxfam, walfare


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