You want FAH to think with Hawiye not Intellectual lenses.
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You want FAH to think with Hawiye not Intellectual lenses.
No it shouldn't. Don't let the cheap paint and cheap building material fool you. I have seen how Somali built stuff are. Do you know Amal Plaza in Nairobi, Eastleigh? It would like like New York in any part of modern Somalia and being inside that building was worse then going in the most badly designed warehouse storage in the world. The next door paltry looking Kenyan building was better. What development is cheap paint wiht no sewege, no actual real building, and from design and material that will cause it flop in a second?topic probably should be
COLONIAL Mogadishu better than CURRENT MOGADISHU?
This kid is easily fooled. You really should become critical and understand where Somalis are coming from when they tell you something. Or have you also cuqdad towards the people of Mogadishu like the Northeastern folks?topic probably should be
COLONIAL Mogadishu better than CURRENT MOGADISHU?
The question is, can being colonized by an advanced european state become equivalent to living under a government for hundreds or thousands of years and coming to culturally imbibe the importance of the rule of law and government? The problem with neo-colonialism as a solution is that the values of the colonizers -- the things that make the colonizers productive -- may not necessarily pass down to the colonized. I know that we're using the idea of neo-colonization as a rhetorical crutch but, truly, it ain't necessarily going to work because as soon as the colonizers leave again the aspects of Somali values and beliefs that are the problem will now have nothing counteracting them and we're back in square 1. The only solution to Somalia then would be perpetual colonization.Good thread.
Here's the issue though: I think an appreciation for the rule of law -- for the necessity of a government-- must precede democratic secularism.
Consider the fact that nearly all European countries were monarchies for the longest time where the common man was not free at all to have a voice in the creation of laws. But the rule of law was always forced upon the non-elite so that after hundreds of years they became culturally dependent on it. It was in no one's interest to have everything devolve into anarchy. And it isn't just European countries that this is true of. Consider Japan and China. Both countries had systems of government that enforced rigid laws for, in the case of Japan, at least 1.5 thousand years and in China's case considerably longer. These sort of governments are obviously far from today's ideal but at least they were governments, and they had a lasting and deep impact on the culture of the people. There is also the issue of literacy. A significant portion of the population of these people -- Europeans and Asians -- could read and write for hundreds of years. This also had an effect on their governments and laws.
Somalis on the otherhand had practically never known of the concept of government (and literacy!) before the arrival of Europeans. Sure, we had our own indigious form of conflict resolution and so on, but our way of life didn't necessitate any form of central government.
To go from this chaotic state to a secular democracy is, simply, too much of a jump. The cultural inertia from our pre-European contact years was simply too strong against the systems the Europeans gave us and, therefore, the military dictatorships and eventual disolution of the government was inevitable. You're talking about hundreds of years of clans and tribalism. This cultural inertia is still strong today because quite frankly there remain entirely rational reasons for your average Somali to cling to it: if he or she doesn't, he or she would lose any protection that clan/tribe offers. In the olden days your possessions and sheep and camels were protected by your fellow clan/sub-clan members against other clans. How could anyone in such a circumstance forsake his tribe/clan? How can anyone in Somalia today forsake his tribe/clan? It simply isn't rational to do so.
And yet, the clan/tribe system doesn't really make sense in a world where people have united as NATIONS to further their interests. The nation is the ultimate tribe.
Somalis need to come to understand first the benefits of nationhood, and a people cannot achieve secular democracy without having been prepared in the rule of law and literacy for hundreds of years.
Even if Mogadishu Look's like a Slum, one should never think being Under Gaal is of any good. My Great Grandfather didnt die fighting the French for Nothing.FAH's question was colonial Mogadishu better than current Mogadishu, not 13th Century Mogadishu.
Basically is this colonial Mogadishu
better than this current Mogadishu?
i dont have cuqdad man, but mogadishu is shiggidy dude todayThis kid is easily fooled. You really should become critical and understand where Somalis are coming from when they tell you something. Or have you also cuqdad towards the people of Mogadishu like the Northeastern folks?topic probably should be
COLONIAL Mogadishu better than CURRENT MOGADISHU?
Just to educate you, Mogadishu in the 13th century was an important booming city in the world of then. It competed with other key cities like Cairo, Cordoba, Medina/Mecca, Bagdad, Damascus..and at that time European cities were villages compared to the Islamic cities.
Italian colonization was our black history, dont wish it for your own people!
i dont have cuqdad man, but mogadishu is shiggidy dude today
its not built and our own people destroyed it, not any outsiders
look at the nice urban planning and architecture of mogadishu
man it looks like ancient rome with shid on top of it today, thats just being real with you
all we got is images of the past and a couple nice buildings where banks are in mogadishu that are like 5 stories tall and the big masjid there
Your Never Going to Enjoy Sparmuta in Mogadishu Beach.
i dont have cuqdad man, but mogadishu is shiggidy dude today
its not built and our own people destroyed it, not any outsiders
look at the nice urban planning and architecture of mogadishu
man it looks like ancient rome with shid on top of it today, thats just being real with you
all we got is images of the past and a couple nice buildings where banks are in mogadishu that are like 5 stories tall and the big masjid there
FAH
That was actually meant for our Italian Resident Michael. Iam sure u will be able to go soon or you can join me and Xamari when we are tanning in Djibouti in the summer.
u should go around novermber december.
FAH to answer your question...yes war zones are not aesthetically pleasing. Xamari want's to get a little darker so she invited me with her.FAH
That was actually meant for our Italian Resident Michael. Iam sure u will be able to go soon or you can join me and Xamari when we are tanning in Djibouti in the summer.
Goin to Djibouti in the summer is like going to hell
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