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Re: full face veil (except the eyes) is NOT sunnah...

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:54 am
by Mr. Yungnfresh
wow, damn bro, i wasn't aware you were a madkhali. :lol:

you just don't come across as one. you'd better off getting off the madkhali train - and i don't mean the clan. rabee the snake doesn't have following inside saudi - most of his followers are ignorant south asians and somalis who live in the west and who're desperate to be associated with anything from saudi - that should tell you something. also, from brothers who know these extremists personally, when they're among themselves they backbite albani and the kaabir and brag about how they're more salafi than them.

further more, them and albani do disagree with each other on some issues from the aqeedah. like taking kuffar as allies/part of al wala wal bara.
lol @ I wasn't aware you're a Madkhali...I'm not a Madkhali or a Wahabi sxb, and I don't even believe in the legitimacy of using either of those titles. I stop at identifying myself as someone who takes my Diin from those scholars who are upon the Dacwa of Salafiyyah/is a follower of Islam according to the understanding of the Salaf As-Saalih....or a Salafi for short.

First and foremost, May Allah SWT Forgive you for the comment you made regarding the noble Sheikh Rabee' (May Allah SWT Preserve him), and Wallahi I say that without a hint of sarcasm or condescension and with entire genuineness and sincerity.

As for a lot of Muslims who are South Asian or Somali following the noble Sheikh while they live in the West, when has that become something that discredits an individual? We judge the scholars on their actions, not on their followers or the actions of their followers (in the broad sense). With regards to the noble Sheikh not having a following within Saudi Arabia, you couldn't be further from the truth sxb. InshaAllaah, I'll briefly list some of the quotes by the eminent Shuyuukh regarding Sheikh Rabee (Xafidahullah).

Lastly, I wasn't present to hear Sheikh Rabee (Xafidahullah) backbite any of the righteous scholars and from what you're telling me, neither were you. So neither of us can corroborate those brothers' stories about the Sheikh making those malicious comments. If ONLY by virtue of him being a Muslim, much less one who commands the type of respect the Cawaam owe to the Culemaa, we owe it to him to only judge him upon what we have seen of him and not succumb to the claims others make which cannot be independently verified. From what is apparent of him, he is a pious man who guards his tongue from slander and only refutes falsehood tirelessly in the way of Allaah SWT. I'm not sure why you feel he didn't practice Al Walaa Wal Baraa though...your two videos you embedded showed what is widely agreed upon, which is that Sheikh Al-Albani (Raxiimahullah) practiced that, but what proof is there that Sheikh Rabee Xafidahullah didn't practice it? In fact, the testimony from his companions and colleagues in scholarship indicate he excelled in it. InshaAllaah, if there's anything you know that I'm ignorant of, please let me know. And Allah SWT Knows Best.

Shaykh Muhammad Naasiruddeen al-Albaanee (Raxiimahullah) who mentioned on the tape "Liqaa. Abee al-Hasan al-Ma.rabee ma'a al-Albaanee" about him and Shaykh Muqbil Ibn Haadee al-Waadi'ee: "Without a doubt we praise Allaah the Almighty Who has, for this pure and upright da'wah to the Qur.aan and the Sunnah upon the methodology of the Pious Predecessors, made use of numerous callers from different Islaamic lands who uphold the collective obligation which very few do so in the Islaamic world today, notably the two Shaykhs (Rabee and Muqbil), the callers to the Qur.aan and the Sunnah and that which the Pious Predecessors were upon and wagiing war against those who oppose this correct methodology…"

The Shaykh further adds: "So I wish to say, that which I have seen of the writings of the Shaykh Dr. Rabee, then it is beneficial and I do not recall having seen anything wrong or outside of the methodology which we have come together upon with him, and him having come together upon with us…"

He also mentions on the tape "al-Mawaazanaat Bid'atul-'Asr": "And in short, I say that the one who carries the banner of al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel in this present day and age in truth is our brother (Shaykh) Dr. Rabee, and those who refute him do not refute him upon (sound) knowledge - never…"

Shaykh 'Abdul-'Azeez Ibn 'Abdullaah Ibn Baaz (Raxiimahullah) who mentioned on the tape "Tawdeeh lil-Bayaan" about him: "So the explanation which has been issued by us, it's intention was the call of all, all the callers and the scholars to the constructive criticism…and the intention was not our brothers the people of Madeenah from the students of knowledge and the teachers and the callers, and nor was the intention other than them in Makkah or Riyaadh or in Jeddah. Rather our general intention was our brothers the well-known Shaykhs in Madeenah of whom there is no doubt, they are the people of sound 'aqeedah and from the Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah, such as: Shaykh Muhammad Amaan Ibn 'Alee, Shaykh Rabee' Ibn Haadee, Shaykh Saalih Ibn Sa'd as-Suhaymee, Shaykh Faalih Ibn Naafi', Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Haadee - all of them are known to us in uprightness and knowledge and sound 'aqeedah…"

He also mentions on the tape: "al-As.ilah as-Suwaydiyah": "Indeed Shaykh Rabee' is from amongst the scholars of the Sunnah".

Shaykh Ibn Baaz also permitted Shaykh Rabee' to teach in his masjid (Masjid Ibn Baaz) in Makkah. His lessons still continue to this day, and this is evidence enough that the Shaykh died and he was pleased with Shaykh Rabee' and that which he was upon in creed and methodology.

Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Saalih al-'Uthaymeen (Raxiimahullah) on the tape "al-As.ilah as-Suwaydiyah" said: "…as for Shaykh Rabee, then regarding him, I do not know anything but good, and the man is an upholder of the Sunnah and an upholder of Hadeeth"

He was asked on the tape "Kasf al-Lathaam 'an Mukhaalif Ahmad Salaam": "What is your advice for the one who forbids (listening to) the tapes of Shaykh Rabee' Ibn Haadee with the claim that they stir up fitnah and within them is praise for the rulers in the Kingdom and that his praise, i.e. Shaykh Rabee's praise for the rule, is hypocrisy?" The Shaykh responded: "Our opinion is that this is incorrect and is a major error, and Shaykh Rabee' is from amongst the scholars of the Sunnah and the people of good and his 'aqeedah is sound and his manhaj is correct…"

Shaykh Dr. Saalih Ibn Fowzaan Ibn 'Abdullaah Ibn Fowzaan (Xafidahullah) on the tape "al-As.ilah as-Suwaydiyah", after mentioning Shaykh Rabee' along with a number of other scholars he said: "…and they are from amongst the distinguished scholars who have much experience in da'wah and refutation against those who desire to take the path of the da'wah outside it's correct path, so it is obligatory to circulate their tapes because indeed in them there is great benefit for the Muslims"

This is a short list of a few comments that were made by some of the most notable and widely followed scholars of our era, including Bin Baaz (Raxiimahullah) who was the teacher who give Cijaaza to many of the prominent scholars, was Mufti of Saudi Arabia (the lead cleric in the Holy land) and who presided over Al-Lajna Al-Daa'imah Lil-Buhuuth Al-Cilmiyah Wal-Cifta (The Permanent Committee for Fatwas and Inquiries), which is the most prestigious board of scholars in the entire Muslim world.

Re: full face veil (except the eyes) is NOT sunnah...

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:50 am
by *Nobleman*
wow, damn bro, i wasn't aware you were a madkhali. :lol:

you just don't come across as one. you'd better off getting off the madkhali train - and i don't mean the clan. rabee the snake doesn't have following inside saudi - most of his followers are ignorant south asians and somalis who live in the west and who're desperate to be associated with anything from saudi - that should tell you something. also, from brothers who know these extremists personally, when they're among themselves they backbite albani and the kaabir and brag about how they're more salafi than them.

further more, them and albani do disagree with each other on some issues from the aqeedah. like taking kuffar as allies/part of al wala wal bara.
lol @ I wasn't aware you're a Madkhali...I'm not a Madkhali or a Wahabi sxb, and I don't even believe in the legitimacy of using either of those titles. I stop at identifying myself as someone who takes my Diin from those scholars who are upon the Dacwa of Salafiyyah/is a follower of Islam according to the understanding of the Salaf As-Saalih....or a Salafi for short.

First and foremost, May Allah SWT Forgive you for the comment you made regarding the noble Sheikh Rabee' (May Allah SWT Preserve him), and Wallahi I say that without a hint of sarcasm or condescension and with entire genuineness and sincerity.

As for a lot of Muslims who are South Asian or Somali following the noble Sheikh while they live in the West, when has that become something that discredits an individual? We judge the scholars on their actions, not on their followers or the actions of their followers (in the broad sense). With regards to the noble Sheikh not having a following within Saudi Arabia, you couldn't be further from the truth sxb. InshaAllaah, I'll briefly list some of the quotes by the eminent Shuyuukh regarding Sheikh Rabee (Xafidahullah).

Lastly, I wasn't present to hear Sheikh Rabee (Xafidahullah) backbite any of the righteous scholars and from what you're telling me, neither were you. So neither of us can corroborate those brothers' stories about the Sheikh making those malicious comments. If ONLY by virtue of him being a Muslim, much less one who commands the type of respect the Cawaam owe to the Culemaa, we owe it to him to only judge him upon what we have seen of him and not succumb to the claims others make which cannot be independently verified. From what is apparent of him, he is a pious man who guards his tongue from slander and only refutes falsehood tirelessly in the way of Allaah SWT. I'm not sure why you feel he didn't practice Al Walaa Wal Baraa though...your two videos you embedded showed what is widely agreed upon, which is that Sheikh Al-Albani (Raxiimahullah) practiced that, but what proof is there that Sheikh Rabee Xafidahullah didn't practice it? In fact, the testimony from his companions and colleagues in scholarship indicate he excelled in it. InshaAllaah, if there's anything you know that I'm ignorant of, please let me know. And Allah SWT Knows Best.

Shaykh Muhammad Naasiruddeen al-Albaanee (Raxiimahullah) who mentioned on the tape "Liqaa. Abee al-Hasan al-Ma.rabee ma'a al-Albaanee" about him and Shaykh Muqbil Ibn Haadee al-Waadi'ee: "Without a doubt we praise Allaah the Almighty Who has, for this pure and upright da'wah to the Qur.aan and the Sunnah upon the methodology of the Pious Predecessors, made use of numerous callers from different Islaamic lands who uphold the collective obligation which very few do so in the Islaamic world today, notably the two Shaykhs (Rabee and Muqbil), the callers to the Qur.aan and the Sunnah and that which the Pious Predecessors were upon and wagiing war against those who oppose this correct methodology…"

The Shaykh further adds: "So I wish to say, that which I have seen of the writings of the Shaykh Dr. Rabee, then it is beneficial and I do not recall having seen anything wrong or outside of the methodology which we have come together upon with him, and him having come together upon with us…"

He also mentions on the tape "al-Mawaazanaat Bid'atul-'Asr": "And in short, I say that the one who carries the banner of al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel in this present day and age in truth is our brother (Shaykh) Dr. Rabee, and those who refute him do not refute him upon (sound) knowledge - never…"

Shaykh 'Abdul-'Azeez Ibn 'Abdullaah Ibn Baaz (Raxiimahullah) who mentioned on the tape "Tawdeeh lil-Bayaan" about him: "So the explanation which has been issued by us, it's intention was the call of all, all the callers and the scholars to the constructive criticism…and the intention was not our brothers the people of Madeenah from the students of knowledge and the teachers and the callers, and nor was the intention other than them in Makkah or Riyaadh or in Jeddah. Rather our general intention was our brothers the well-known Shaykhs in Madeenah of whom there is no doubt, they are the people of sound 'aqeedah and from the Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah, such as: Shaykh Muhammad Amaan Ibn 'Alee, Shaykh Rabee' Ibn Haadee, Shaykh Saalih Ibn Sa'd as-Suhaymee, Shaykh Faalih Ibn Naafi', Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Haadee - all of them are known to us in uprightness and knowledge and sound 'aqeedah…"

He also mentions on the tape: "al-As.ilah as-Suwaydiyah": "Indeed Shaykh Rabee' is from amongst the scholars of the Sunnah".

Shaykh Ibn Baaz also permitted Shaykh Rabee' to teach in his masjid (Masjid Ibn Baaz) in Makkah. His lessons still continue to this day, and this is evidence enough that the Shaykh died and he was pleased with Shaykh Rabee' and that which he was upon in creed and methodology.

Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Saalih al-'Uthaymeen (Raxiimahullah) on the tape "al-As.ilah as-Suwaydiyah" said: "…as for Shaykh Rabee, then regarding him, I do not know anything but good, and the man is an upholder of the Sunnah and an upholder of Hadeeth"

He was asked on the tape "Kasf al-Lathaam 'an Mukhaalif Ahmad Salaam": "What is your advice for the one who forbids (listening to) the tapes of Shaykh Rabee' Ibn Haadee with the claim that they stir up fitnah and within them is praise for the rulers in the Kingdom and that his praise, i.e. Shaykh Rabee's praise for the rule, is hypocrisy?" The Shaykh responded: "Our opinion is that this is incorrect and is a major error, and Shaykh Rabee' is from amongst the scholars of the Sunnah and the people of good and his 'aqeedah is sound and his manhaj is correct…"

Shaykh Dr. Saalih Ibn Fowzaan Ibn 'Abdullaah Ibn Fowzaan (Xafidahullah) on the tape "al-As.ilah as-Suwaydiyah", after mentioning Shaykh Rabee' along with a number of other scholars he said: "…and they are from amongst the distinguished scholars who have much experience in da'wah and refutation against those who desire to take the path of the da'wah outside it's correct path, so it is obligatory to circulate their tapes because indeed in them there is great benefit for the Muslims"

This is a short list of a few comments that were made by some of the most notable and widely followed scholars of our era, including Bin Baaz (Raxiimahullah) who was the teacher who give Cijaaza to many of the prominent scholars, was Mufti of Saudi Arabia (the lead cleric in the Holy land) and who presided over Al-Lajna Al-Daa'imah Lil-Buhuuth Al-Cilmiyah Wal-Cifta (The Permanent Committee for Fatwas and Inquiries), which is the most prestigious board of scholars in the entire Muslim world.
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Re: full face veil (except the eyes) is NOT sunnah...

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:31 pm
by Enlightened~Sista
Yung a Madkhali?? :o :o

dayummmmmm

Re: full face veil (except the eyes) is NOT sunnah...

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:48 pm
by sadeboi
[quote="Koronto77"]Are you telling me Allah (the almighty) who created time, space, jinn, mankind, past, present & future favors between his creatures based on their gender? All this vastness of Allah that is present around us in everything we see, why reduce the religion to some piece of cloth a woman puts on her face? Instead of obsessing over what women wear, why don't we (men) observe the religion properly & learn to lower our gaze, show some respect to our sisters, support them in their plight, etc and protect their modesty and abstain from fawahishaat & munkar?
/quote]

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Re: full face veil (except the eyes) is NOT sunnah...

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:02 pm
by ModerateMuslim
http://madkhalis.com <------wow, that what you call utter destruction/refutation :shock:

masha'allah. people are abandoning the batil thats madkhaliyyah en masse nowadays. those who haven't yet should do now before its too late :up:

Re: full face veil (except the eyes) is NOT sunnah...

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:18 pm
by Mr. Yungnfresh
http://madkhalis.com <------wow, that what you call utter destruction/refutation :shock:

masha'allah. people are abandoning the batil thats madkhaliyyah en masse nowadays. those who haven't yet should do now before its too late :up:
loooool @ that website...speechless :lol:

http://themadkhalis.com <------------ this is what I call the utter destruction and refutation of all the lies the deviant sects have fabricated against the noble Shaykh Rabee (Xafidahullah) after he exposed their misguidance through authentic references from the Quran and Sunnah....which scholars have lined up to commend him for his great work in amar bil macruuf wa nahi canil munkar (enjoining the good and forbidding the evil). There's not a single person who hates Shaykh Rabee (Xafidahullah) except that the noble Shaykh has offended them by proving what they're doing is not from the Quran and Sunnah.

Re: full face veil (except the eyes) is NOT sunnah...

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:46 pm
by ModerateMuslim
:lol: what a clownish and preposterous claims made against shaheed sayyid qutb (ra), a man whose courageous words and actions in the face of the worst of jahilliyah, kufr and polytheism have awakened generations of young people to the realities and demands of tawheed; and not only that, but to go even further and seek to establish it from scratch. a man who the munafiqeen hate because he exposed the treacherous and shirki nature of their beloved rulers.

communism. leninism. wahdat ul-wujood. shi'ism. french connection. etc. i mean, does the shame of these intellectually bankrupt and dishonest lies know any bounds? do these fools think anyone is going to even give it a second look, much less refute it? smh.


shaheed sayyid qutb is in no need to be defended against the absurd and dishonest accusations/lies made against him by insignificant, intellectually inferior beings but he's the words of madkhali himself no less - when he's a qutbiyyah himself - before he got bribed with saudi gov positions - in particular before he got the reigns of medina islamic uni after the more popular scholars of the sahwa movement got purged from most mosques and islamic learning institutions (if it wasn't for this purge no one in the west would've even heard the name rabee):
In the first edition of the book (Dar al-Salafiyya, 1st edition, Kuwait), Rabi’ al-Madkhali says,


رحم الله سيد قطب، لقد نفذ من دراسته إلى عين الحق والصواب، ويجب على الحركات الإسلامية أن تستفيد من هذا التقرير الواعي الذي
انتهى إليه سيد قطب عند آخر لحظة من حياته بعد دراسة طويلة واعية، لقد وصل في تقريره هذا إلى عين منهج الأنبياء عليهم الصلاة والسلام

May Allah be merciful with Sayyid Qutb! He reached the exact truth in his study. It is incumbent upon the Islamic movements to benefit from this knowledge-based conclusion which Sayyid Qutb reached towards the end of his life, after a long and deep study. In this conclusion he highlighted the very Manhaj of the prophets – may Allah’s Salah and Salam be upon them! (p. 139)

Re: full face veil (except the eyes) is NOT sunnah...

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:54 pm
by ModerateMuslim
horta, mr ynf, do hate the mujahid shaykh and shaheed, sh. abdullah azzam (ra), too? did he also propagate 'falsehood?' is this 'falsehood':


Re: full face veil (except the eyes) is NOT sunnah...

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:41 pm
by Mr. Yungnfresh
Wallahi I had a strong feeling you were a Qutubi, which puts a lot into perspective now...namely your hatred for the Madkhalis (Rabee'/Muhammad/Muqbil etc.) and your misguided interpretation of Jihaad, as evident by your unwaivering support for the extremism of Al-Shabaab. My first clue was actually when some of the greatest scholars of the last few decades were mentioned (Shaykh Jaami'ee, Shaykh Bin Baaz, Shaykh Al-Albani, Shaykh Uthaymiin, Shaykh Ubayd, Shaykh Muqbil, Shaykh Rabee, Shaykh Fowzaan, Shaykh Al-Ashaykh, Shaykh Jibreen, etc.) and you stated it was mostly an evil list with the exception of a few like Shaykh Ibn Jibreen (May Allah SWT Forgive him), who did a lot for Islam (I respect his work in Fataawa Islamiyah) but unfortunately was misguided towards the tail-end of his life when he made some comments supporting parts of Qutubism, which the rest of the scholars unanimously disagreed with him on and advised him in brotherly terms of his error. Look at it this way though bro, you quoted lengthy passages from Shaykh Ibn Uthaymiin (Raxiimahullah) in the first two posts of this thread using his position as an authoritative view on the issue...why then don't you take a page from that same Shaykh Ibn Uthaymiin who warned (amongst other prominent Culemaa) against the teachings of Sayid Qutb? Doesn't it strike you as odd that all the major scholars have all condemned Sayid Qutb and Hassan Al-Bana's Marxist/Engelist/Leninist views? Does it not rub you the wrong way that Ayatollah Khameini, the notorious Iranian Raafidah Shiicite, called Sayid Qutb a "mujahid"  and a "mufakir", and praised his work? Does it not sicken you that Sayid Qutb, in widely published and infamous works, condemned Uthman Ibn Affan and Mucaawiyah (Radiallahu Anhum) according to his Socialist manhaj? Does it not sicken u to your stomach that Sayid Qutb openly said that Abdullah Ibn Saba Al-Yahuudi (May Allah Curse Him), who's the notorious hypocrite that founded Shia'ism, was in the right and sided with him over the Saxaba (Radiallahu Anhum) due to his Marxist-Socialist views? These aren't merely opinions bro, these are facts that the pseudo-scholars of Qutubism uphold and defend vigorously. I appreciate your zeal and enthusiasm in the way of Islam, but Wallahi it's misguided bro. Study this man further with an open heart and an open mind, and inshaAllaah Allaah SWT will Guide you by His Mercy and you'll understand the falsehood this man was upon.

I wanna leave you with an article ob Shaykh Uthaymiin's (Raximahullah) view on Shaykh Rabee' and how those who hate him only do so because of how he displayed the misguidance of their "scholars".

http://www.themadkhalis.com/md/articles ... eheads.cfm  

Re: full face veil (except the eyes) is NOT sunnah...

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:51 pm
by Mr. Yungnfresh
horta, mr ynf, do hate the mujahid shaykh and shaheed, sh. abdullah azzam (ra), too? did he also propagate 'falsehood?' is this 'falsehood':

Abdullah Azzam is a well-known Dhaalim. The fact that he is the mentor and spiritual leader of Osama Bin Laden and Ayman Al-Zawahiri is enough for people to know he is an extremist who's actions and teachings contradict the Prophet SAW's teachings and the teachings of Islam. Furthermore, Shaykh Al-Albani (Raximahullah) himself said he met with Abdullah Azzam and explained to him that the teachings of Sayid Qutb were wrong and misguided (based on his inclination towards wahdat al-wujood), but he emphatically stated that he did not make takfir of Sayid Qutb because the situation never matured to that stage. In spite of that, Abdallah Azzam began proclaiming that Shaykh Al-Albani (Raximahullah) made takfir of Sayid Qutb, which the Shaykh of course denied. Ma kaas baa khayr laga sugaa?

Re: full face veil (except the eyes) is NOT sunnah...

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:43 pm
by ModerateMuslim
mr ynf, frankly, how can anyone take you serious with the above rubbish you wrote (the two posts above)? you're displaying the worst and most destructive symptoms of the madkhali disease. don't you see what makhaliyyah has done to you? it has rendered you a brainless cultist, merely regurgitating whatever it's been feed, without questioning it, no matter how absurd and preposterous it may be, and no matter what it leads to. honestly, this is what you'd expect from someone like galia, not someone whose intellectual honesty, ability to think for himself and, above all, sincerity i was so impressive with, until recently, when you exposed your extremist madkhali self, even though i didn't agree with many of your views... smh.

madkhali and his mostly ex-hanafi/(madow) convict and ignorant somali followers are a joke, no one takes them serious; those whom they bark @ nonstop aren't even aware of their existence. this being only a natural reaction towards something as absurd as makhaliyyah. so you must excuse my lack of reply to any of the points which you've raised, and which you think are in favor of madkhalism and against 'qutbiyyah.'

may allah guide us all to that which pleases him and exalted is he.

assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

Re: full face veil (except the eyes) is NOT sunnah...

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:04 pm
by Mr. Yungnfresh
Sxb Wallahi waa inaad dib isku noqotid. I didn't expect you to try to refute anything I said, because Qutubis never argue against the points I raised because they have no textual evidence (from Quran and Sunna) to support their positions, which is why even the scholars of Qutubism never engage in debate with the scholars of Ahlul Quran and Sunna when it comes to their manhaj. The stereotype of Qutubis is that they respond with ad hominem attacks and defamation of character, and discuss individuals instead of their methodology. If we put the Quran and Hadith in front of us and say "let's ignore everything else and argue according to these two", the Qutubis have no arguments because their beliefs are not derived from these texts. I respect u as a person and genuinly believe your intentions are generally good, but inamaa acmaalu bil niyaat (all deeds are rewarded by intention) does not apply to Aqeedah, as the Quran and Sunna is in staunch opposition to the misguided sect of Qutubism. I'll make Duca for you and hope you make tawbah for the gross transgression you've made upon the noble Shuyuukh. You don't have to reply, but on ur own time, look into what I've said further...Wallahi u owe it to yourself.

Wa Alaykum Assalam Waraxmatullahi Wabarakaatu.

Re: full face veil (except the eyes) is NOT sunnah...

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:23 pm
by abdalla11
wow, damn bro, i wasn't aware you were a madkhali. :lol:

you just don't come across as one. you'd better off getting off the madkhali train - and i don't mean the clan. rabee the snake doesn't have following inside saudi - most of his followers are ignorant south asians and somalis who live in the west and who're desperate to be associated with anything from saudi - that should tell you something. also, from brothers who know these extremists personally, when they're among themselves they backbite albani and the kaabir and brag about how they're more salafi than them.

further more, them and albani do disagree with each other on some issues from the aqeedah. like taking kuffar as allies/part of al wala wal bara.
lol @ I wasn't aware you're a Madkhali...I'm not a Madkhali or a Wahabi sxb, and I don't even believe in the legitimacy of using either of those titles. I stop at identifying myself as someone who takes my Diin from those scholars who are upon the Dacwa of Salafiyyah/is a follower of Islam according to the understanding of the Salaf As-Saalih....or a Salafi for short.

First and foremost, May Allah SWT Forgive you for the comment you made regarding the noble Sheikh Rabee' (May Allah SWT Preserve him), and Wallahi I say that without a hint of sarcasm or condescension and with entire genuineness and sincerity.

As for a lot of Muslims who are South Asian or Somali following the noble Sheikh while they live in the West, when has that become something that discredits an individual? We judge the scholars on their actions, not on their followers or the actions of their followers (in the broad sense). With regards to the noble Sheikh not having a following within Saudi Arabia, you couldn't be further from the truth sxb. InshaAllaah, I'll briefly list some of the quotes by the eminent Shuyuukh regarding Sheikh Rabee (Xafidahullah).

Lastly, I wasn't present to hear Sheikh Rabee (Xafidahullah) backbite any of the righteous scholars and from what you're telling me, neither were you. So neither of us can corroborate those brothers' stories about the Sheikh making those malicious comments. If ONLY by virtue of him being a Muslim, much less one who commands the type of respect the Cawaam owe to the Culemaa, we owe it to him to only judge him upon what we have seen of him and not succumb to the claims others make which cannot be independently verified. From what is apparent of him, he is a pious man who guards his tongue from slander and only refutes falsehood tirelessly in the way of Allaah SWT. I'm not sure why you feel he didn't practice Al Walaa Wal Baraa though...your two videos you embedded showed what is widely agreed upon, which is that Sheikh Al-Albani (Raxiimahullah) practiced that, but what proof is there that Sheikh Rabee Xafidahullah didn't practice it? In fact, the testimony from his companions and colleagues in scholarship indicate he excelled in it. InshaAllaah, if there's anything you know that I'm ignorant of, please let me know. And Allah SWT Knows Best.

Shaykh Muhammad Naasiruddeen al-Albaanee (Raxiimahullah) who mentioned on the tape "Liqaa. Abee al-Hasan al-Ma.rabee ma'a al-Albaanee" about him and Shaykh Muqbil Ibn Haadee al-Waadi'ee: "Without a doubt we praise Allaah the Almighty Who has, for this pure and upright da'wah to the Qur.aan and the Sunnah upon the methodology of the Pious Predecessors, made use of numerous callers from different Islaamic lands who uphold the collective obligation which very few do so in the Islaamic world today, notably the two Shaykhs (Rabee and Muqbil), the callers to the Qur.aan and the Sunnah and that which the Pious Predecessors were upon and wagiing war against those who oppose this correct methodology…"

The Shaykh further adds: "So I wish to say, that which I have seen of the writings of the Shaykh Dr. Rabee, then it is beneficial and I do not recall having seen anything wrong or outside of the methodology which we have come together upon with him, and him having come together upon with us…"

He also mentions on the tape "al-Mawaazanaat Bid'atul-'Asr": "And in short, I say that the one who carries the banner of al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel in this present day and age in truth is our brother (Shaykh) Dr. Rabee, and those who refute him do not refute him upon (sound) knowledge - never…"

Shaykh 'Abdul-'Azeez Ibn 'Abdullaah Ibn Baaz (Raxiimahullah) who mentioned on the tape "Tawdeeh lil-Bayaan" about him: "So the explanation which has been issued by us, it's intention was the call of all, all the callers and the scholars to the constructive criticism…and the intention was not our brothers the people of Madeenah from the students of knowledge and the teachers and the callers, and nor was the intention other than them in Makkah or Riyaadh or in Jeddah. Rather our general intention was our brothers the well-known Shaykhs in Madeenah of whom there is no doubt, they are the people of sound 'aqeedah and from the Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah, such as: Shaykh Muhammad Amaan Ibn 'Alee, Shaykh Rabee' Ibn Haadee, Shaykh Saalih Ibn Sa'd as-Suhaymee, Shaykh Faalih Ibn Naafi', Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Haadee - all of them are known to us in uprightness and knowledge and sound 'aqeedah…"

He also mentions on the tape: "al-As.ilah as-Suwaydiyah": "Indeed Shaykh Rabee' is from amongst the scholars of the Sunnah".

Shaykh Ibn Baaz also permitted Shaykh Rabee' to teach in his masjid (Masjid Ibn Baaz) in Makkah. His lessons still continue to this day, and this is evidence enough that the Shaykh died and he was pleased with Shaykh Rabee' and that which he was upon in creed and methodology.

Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Saalih al-'Uthaymeen (Raxiimahullah) on the tape "al-As.ilah as-Suwaydiyah" said: "…as for Shaykh Rabee, then regarding him, I do not know anything but good, and the man is an upholder of the Sunnah and an upholder of Hadeeth"

He was asked on the tape "Kasf al-Lathaam 'an Mukhaalif Ahmad Salaam": "What is your advice for the one who forbids (listening to) the tapes of Shaykh Rabee' Ibn Haadee with the claim that they stir up fitnah and within them is praise for the rulers in the Kingdom and that his praise, i.e. Shaykh Rabee's praise for the rule, is hypocrisy?" The Shaykh responded: "Our opinion is that this is incorrect and is a major error, and Shaykh Rabee' is from amongst the scholars of the Sunnah and the people of good and his 'aqeedah is sound and his manhaj is correct…"

Shaykh Dr. Saalih Ibn Fowzaan Ibn 'Abdullaah Ibn Fowzaan (Xafidahullah) on the tape "al-As.ilah as-Suwaydiyah", after mentioning Shaykh Rabee' along with a number of other scholars he said: "…and they are from amongst the distinguished scholars who have much experience in da'wah and refutation against those who desire to take the path of the da'wah outside it's correct path, so it is obligatory to circulate their tapes because indeed in them there is great benefit for the Muslims"

This is a short list of a few comments that were made by some of the most notable and widely followed scholars of our era, including Bin Baaz (Raxiimahullah) who was the teacher who give Cijaaza to many of the prominent scholars, was Mufti of Saudi Arabia (the lead cleric in the Holy land) and who presided over Al-Lajna Al-Daa'imah Lil-Buhuuth Al-Cilmiyah Wal-Cifta (The Permanent Committee for Fatwas and Inquiries), which is the most prestigious board of scholars in the entire Muslim world.
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I've never come across a shaykh in our time who has these tazkiyaat walle, yet some youngstars don't accept him as shaykh and accuse him of things i couldn't accuse of a faasiq let alone an old shaykh who did alot for islaam by warning for bidcah and its bearers. May Allah protect him :up: :up:

Re: full face veil (except the eyes) is NOT sunnah...

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:11 pm
by sexy-kitten
Whose idea was it to come up with the burqa or a jilbaab? I thought wearing modest clothes and covering the hair was sunnah.

Re: full face veil (except the eyes) is NOT sunnah...

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:28 am
by michael_ital
Sad that a fag, with an appopriate femine sounding nickname I might add, spends SOOO much of his time concerned with what women wear. The odeys would have a good laugh at this fool. :lol: