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Re: Nigerians are crazy

Postby Cali_Gaab » Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:16 am

This has nothing to do with Muslims vs Christians in Nigeria.
The commander that ordered these killings is a muslim himself, by name atleast.

However, i'm surprised Al Jazeera aired this video. Never have i witnessed news stations broadcasting such horrific incidents.

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Re: Nigerians are crazy

Postby Voltage » Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:19 am

The Nigerian ruling party said
the government acknowledged that this was a crime against humanity ... you cannot shoot an unarmed civilian."
The world has agreed on a verdict of extrajudicial heinous killings yet Abu Lahab and his fellow Abu Jahals have spent 5 pages tearing down the topic.

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Re: Nigerians are crazy

Postby nomadicwarlord » Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:50 am

Do you guys know what happens in Northern Nigeria? Don't let the actions of the Nigerian government change your perception of the entire region. Innocent people in Northern Nigeria have been targeted for years. Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. There is nothing new coming out of those States in the north. The communities in the north needs to stop targeting one other in the name of religion. Nigeria as a whole is a mess.

Nigerian government can wage war against militants in the north and other regions. Innocent civilians shouldn't be targeted by the government. They have universal rights and it is a crime targeting them. Boko Haram or whatever they call themselves are nothing but a bunch of lunatics.

By the way, I didn't watch that video.

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Re: Nigerians are crazy

Postby Voltage » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:02 am

By the way, I didn't watch that video.
Well then why don't you quit making irrelavent political statements. This is not an indictment on the whole comprehensive Government offensive against a renegade group but specific extrajudicial killings under the command of Nigerian military in a specific moment.

But with you, the trinity is complete. Twisted, Abdiwahab, Nomadicwarlord.

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Re: Nigerians are crazy

Postby Amusse » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:55 am

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But with you, the trinity is complete. Twisted, Abdiwahab, Nomadicwarlord.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Horta these three must be related even though Nomadicwarlord says he is from Puntland? :|

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Re: Nigerians are crazy

Postby AhlulbaytSoldier » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:58 am

Do you guys know what happens in Northern Nigeria? Don't let the actions of the Nigerian government change your perception of the entire region. Innocent people in Northern Nigeria have been targeted for years. Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. There is nothing new coming out of those States in the north. The communities in the north needs to stop targeting one other in the name of religion. Nigeria as a whole is a mess.

Nigerian government can wage war against militants in the north and other regions. Innocent civilians shouldn't be targeted by the government. They have universal rights and it is a crime targeting them. Boko Haram or whatever they call themselves are nothing but a bunch of lunatics.

By the way, I didn't watch that video.
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Boko haram should be finished because they are a salafi group who do not want peace with christian,ahlusunnah and shia nigerians.
Laakiin,what the government did was killing innocent muslim people whom they accused of terrorist connection. Here is the difference.

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Re: Nigerians are crazy

Postby nomadicwarlord » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:59 am

Well then why don't you quit making irrelavent political statements. This is not an indictment on the whole comprehensive Government offensive against a renegade group but specific extrajudicial killings under the command of Nigerian military in a specific moment.
I was just talking about the overall clashes in the region. It is because of those clashes that the Nigerian government is forced to react. You know sometimes the government comes under scrutiny for not addressing the issue at hand. After I watch the video, I'll react to it. Until then..... :arrow:

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Re: Nigerians are crazy

Postby nomadicwarlord » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:09 am

Do you guys know what happens in Northern Nigeria? Don't let the actions of the Nigerian government change your perception of the entire region. Innocent people in Northern Nigeria have been targeted for years. Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. There is nothing new coming out of those States in the north. The communities in the north needs to stop targeting one other in the name of religion. Nigeria as a whole is a mess.

Nigerian government can wage war against militants in the north and other regions. Innocent civilians shouldn't be targeted by the government. They have universal rights and it is a crime targeting them. Boko Haram or whatever they call themselves are nothing but a bunch of lunatics.

By the way, I didn't watch that video.
looool
Boko haram should be finished because they are a salafi group who do not want peace with christian,ahlusunnah and shia nigerians.
Laakiin,what the government did was killing innocent muslim people whom they accused of terrorist connection. Here is the difference.
:up: True that. There is no justification for that.

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Re: Nigerians are crazy

Postby Twisted_Logic » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:14 am

Kambuli must you think so low of Americans? What makes you think an American supports the words of a retrograde African with a mob mentality like Twisted? The people who are labeling what went on as "extrajudicial" are non-Muslim Westerners themselves walaal.

Americans are the ones who put the Abu Ghraib culprits in prison, are treating Guantanamo detainees as prisoners of war and giving them trials, as well as took that Somali pirate all the way to New York to be tried Americans respect law and order walaal. If I put myself in the shoes of an American who values law and order, and meting out justice where it should be meted out, namely the Court and Justice System, nothing of what Twisted the retrograde African said would appeal to me. In fact his Rwandan Hutu and Congolese militia mob mentality would sicken me. :up:

It amazes me Twisted who claims to be studying Political Science and the workings of Western civil and government institutions can play retrograde and ignorant Muuse Suudi so well. I guess the apple doesn't fall very far from the tree and neither becomes clean no matter how much it is washed. Look how much he condones a whole village shot behind shacks somewhere in remote and rural Africa. :down:
:lol: :lol: The list of crazy accusations continue to grow. In the beginning, I was indirectly an Al Shabab supporter since I was against the AY government ( the fact that the AY government was engaged in petty clan wars and using the Ethiopian Military as a tool to get back at certain clans is of course irrelevant, he is right, the people of Mogadishu only deserve war and anarchy, right?) Then I become a “hypocrite” because I am actually acquiring Western Education and “some” of my views make me an apostate (which Voltage and his terror sympathizers have conveniently labeled against me without any shred of evidence). Then I become an “retrograde African with mob mentality” so by now I am an “atheist“retrograde African with mob mentality” that supports “ Al Qaida” and at the same-time using the West to destroy religious extremism. I must be the most remarkable creature on earth because no such specimen exists anywhere :lol: :lol:

If only your accusations could achieve anything except making it obvious that you are so blindly by hatred and qabil that you are incapable of ever seeing the dangers of the ideologies you support. When you want to know someone who has no ethics of disputation and has been completely defeated in an argument, how do you tell? You wait for them to start shouting desperately and making accusations. There is a good reason why we say that defamation is the ultimate weapon of the moral coward. Who is surprised at what you do?
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Re: Nigerians are crazy

Postby Paddington Bear » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:31 am

Oh a heated discussion! Well, more heated than a discussion really. :mrgreen:
The president is missing. The executive chair is empty, the in-tray overflowing, and 150 million people are crying out for leadership.

This is the crisis enveloping Nigeria, political rivals and activists say, as rumours swirl around the health of President Umaru Musa Yar'Adua, not seen in public for 45 days.

Africa's most populous country has allegedly become a rudderless ship despite a series of urgent issues, including the arrest of the Nigerian al-Qaida suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, charged with attempting to blow up a plane over Detroit on Christmas Day.

It has been more than six weeks since Yar'Adua left the country to be treated for a heart condition, reportedly in Saudi Arabia. The 58-year-old devout Muslim took off without informing the legislature and did not transfer power to his deputy.

His absence appears to have created a headless state and a sea of awkward constitutional questions. Opposition politicians have accused Yar'Adua's allies of covering for his absence by forging his signature on the country's supplementary budget.

They have demanded proof that the president is still alive, suggesting that he record a dated video statement or take part in a live TV or radio phone-in. One human rights group has suggested he be declared a missing person and a search party sent out to find him.

Oluwarotimi Akeredolu, president of the Nigerian Bar Association (NBA), said: "We have not heard from the president for 45 days – not one word. I don't know where he is; your guess is as good as mine. Everything is shrouded in secrecy and we are worried as a country."

The NBA, a human rights lawyer and two former MPs have filed legal actions against the government, accusing Yar'Adua of breaching the constitution by staying in power. Akeredolu said the alleged involvement of a Nigerian citizen in the recent US bomb plot showed the present void was untenable. "It's a big problem because we don't have leadership. How do we give assurances to America? How do we communicate with the president of the United States and his secretary of state?"

Nigeria's ambassador to Saudi Arabia today insisted that Yar'Adua is "sound and fit" in a hospital in the country, but said it was still unclear when he would return home.

"He is recuperating in a royal suite attached to the hospital for VIPs. He is sound and fit, he sits, eats and walks very well. He is recuperating to have enough rest before he goes back to the office," Abdullah Aminchi told Reuters. Asked when the president would return to Nigeria, Aminchi said: "It is the doctors who will say when."

In the meantime, Goodluck Jonathan :mrgreen: , the vice-president, has been heading cabinet meetings, insisting: "The ship of state continues to sail." But executive powers have not officially been transferred to him, raising questions over the legality of decisions made by the government.

Nigeria, a country of more than 200 ethnic groups that emerged from military rule only a decade ago, can ill afford a power vacuum. Two outbreaks of violence involving Islamic radicals in the past six months have been ruthlessly crushed by security forces, leaving hundreds dead.

An uneasy truce is holding in the oil-producing Niger Delta but last month armed men who attacked a pipeline blamed the president's absence for delaying the peace process. Nigeria is locked in a diplomatic row with the US following new security restrictions on the country's air passengers as a result of the terror plot.


Antony Goldman, head of PM Consulting, a London-based risk analysis firm specialising in west Africa, said: "The efforts made by the president's people to say everything is fine are counterproductive. They haven't even been able to produce a picture of him. A picture would speak a million words."

Officials have been scrambling to provide reassurances that Yar'Adua is alive and still fit to govern.

But critics say such assurances are no longer enough. The opposition Action Congress party has demanded visual proof of Yar'Adua's condition, saying: "The president must speak directly to the remaining 149,999,997 Nigerians, using the dated video recording format that we suggested in our earlier statement on Monday."

The government also faces scrutiny over its claim that Yar'Adua signed the supplementary budget from his sickbed in Saudi Arabia. The Conference of Nigerian Political Parties (CNPP), an opposition group, has written to the police asking them to investigate claims of forgery.

Yar'Adua had a serious kidney complaint in 2000, and tried to dismiss rumours of continued ill health in 2007 by challenging his critics to a game of squash. He interrupted his campaign months later to seek medical care in Germany. He was recently diagnosed with acute pericarditis, an inflammation of the heart membrane that can be life-threatening.

Shehu Sani, president of the Civil Rights Congress in Nigeria, said: ""The absence of Mr President is spreading both anxiety and apprehension and creating an atmosphere for underground power struggle and machination that could at any moment be aggravated. The vice-president is a lame duck: weak, indecisive and now surrounded by vultures from the ruling party urging him to assert himself, but their loyalty can change back to Yar'Adua if he recovers and returns to the saddle."

He added: "There exists a strong suspicion among many Nigerians that a cabal of ministers and top government officials are benefiting from the absence of Yar'Adua as his policy of due process, prudence and fiscal responsibility is without a pilot."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ja ... nt-missing


As ever, in the song and dance of clashing factions it is always the innocents that die.

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Re: Nigerians are crazy

Postby Twisted_Logic » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:36 am

I think it is personal to be honest. I don't want to personalize this issue, but there is nothing logical or rational about what this guy wrote. Bunch of villagers rounded up and executed behind shacks is something to applaud?

I mean when the West fights Al Qaeda they say they are defending their values...the same values Twisted says he advocates for. What in democracy and justice condones executing people extra-judicially EVEN IF they were guilty? What's the point of courts and justice system and fairness to get defense?

No, Twisted is not anti-Shabaab because of values or he disagrees with them fundamentally...Twisted is in it personally. Knowing a lot of his family could very well be in Mogadishu, the boy has been personally touched which is why he has mushroomed his hate of a specific organization to include bunch of villagers shot execution style behind shacks.

He shares the same values as Al Shabaab but for different reasons. No justice, no defense, no fairness, no organized system, no accountability...just kill those you consider your enemy. Two sides of the same extreme, illogical, and irrational coin. :down:
It is understandable that you don’t want to go back and enlighten yourself about the destruction this now annihilated gang has caused. This is understandable. You have to protect your primordial ignorance. Others though, want to form their opinions on concrete reality and based on solid evidence instead of hateful tirades and chauvinism. So they read the news and examine the facts in order to come up with a good conclusion. It has miraculous effect, you develop a “conversant” opinion instead of becoming a picture of a hopeless sciolism. Seriously, try it someday. You will note that you are less likely to become an object of caricature with ridiculous statements like Twisted_Logic is an “atheist” “retrograde African with mob mentality” “who indirectly supports Al Qaida while using the West to destroy it.”

Reality is not based around some random video on Al Jazeera and even if is proved that the Nigerian authorities have mistakenly killed non-combatants, then that would still not absolve the criminality of the Boko Haram. They alone deserve the blame for everything that happened and they alone should be blamed for putting innocent people at risk through their extremist shenanigans. I will not fault the Nigerian Authorities in dealing harshly against the miscreants and anarchists who want to make the Taliban brutality a reality for Nigeria. So unless an conclusive investigation is carried out and the Nigerian Authorities are blamed for going beyond the norm in their implementation of justice and law and order, I will not blame them. My blame is reserved for the death-merchants that caused this so-called tragedy in the first place. And NO, the law doesn’t protect terrorists. The law only protects those that believe in it and use it as a weapon of justice. You can’t on one hand call for the replacement of Nigeria’s secular Laws and at the same time cite as a tool of justice when you are down. Nah, Laws don’t work this way. You either take it or you don’t and either way (and thankfully) the Nigerian Authorities are capable of enforcing it whether you like it or not. :mrgreen:

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Besides, quit moaning and bytching about human rights. Evern after 3 decades and dozens of investigations, you continue to deny that the Carpet-bombing of Hargaisa ever took place and you ferally continue to apologize and hail MSB for precisely sending 50 thousand innocent Somali women and children to their deathbed. You are the last one to even talk about human rights and decency. fuck outta here :arrow:
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Re: Nigerians are crazy

Postby Twisted_Logic » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:50 am

Well then why don't you quit making irrelavent political statements. This is not an indictment on the whole comprehensive Government offensive against a renegade group but specific extrajudicial killings under the command of Nigerian military in a specific moment.
I was just talking about the overall clashes in the region. It is because of those clashes that the Nigerian government is forced to react. You know sometimes the government comes under scrutiny for not addressing the issue at hand. After I watch the video, I'll react to it. Until then..... :arrow:
Bro, why are you dealing with this Voltage character like he really believes the shyt that he is spewing? Do you really believe that he honestly cares about "extrajudicial killings"? This is the same voltage that continues to deny that the Hargaisa Carpet-Bombings ever took place and this is the same Voltage that celebrates the tyranny of MSB on every October 21st.

He is just outraged because some maniacs that he supports on the subterranean level got annihilated. It is not a question of human rights or "extrajudicial killings" for him. It is a matter of ideology and people need to note this distinction.

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Re: Nigerians are crazy

Postby nomadicwarlord » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:17 am

Well then why don't you quit making irrelavent political statements. This is not an indictment on the whole comprehensive Government offensive against a renegade group but specific extrajudicial killings under the command of Nigerian military in a specific moment.
I was just talking about the overall clashes in the region. It is because of those clashes that the Nigerian government is forced to react. You know sometimes the government comes under scrutiny for not addressing the issue at hand. After I watch the video, I'll react to it. Until then..... :arrow:
Bro, why are you dealing with this Voltage character like he really believes the shyt that he is spewing? Do you really believe that he honestly cares about "extrajudicial killings"? This is the same voltage that continues to deny that the Hargaisa Carpet-Bombings ever took place and this is the same Voltage that celebrates the tyranny of MSB on every October 21st.

He is just outraged because some maniacs that he supports on the subterranean level got annihilated. It is not a question of human rights or "extrajudicial killings" for him. It is a matter of ideology and people need to note this distinction.
Sxb, he is an over-analyzer :lol: Wa iska caadi.

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Re: Nigerians are crazy

Postby Paddington Bear » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:29 am

TL,
I am only interrupting your fight here because I trust in your ability to fight with one hand and type with another. So, please, free your strongest hand for a minute and tell me; is your opposition only to the Boko Haram group or to all Nigerians who were killed by the military? :mrgreen:

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Re: Nigerians are crazy

Postby Twisted_Logic » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:34 am

TL,
I am only interrupting your fight here because I trust in your ability to fight with one hand and type with another. So, please, free your strongest hand for a minute and tell me; is your opposition only to the Boko Haram group or to all Nigerians who were killed by the military? :mrgreen:
Of course, it is a tragedy when an innocent life is lost and my heart bleeds for them. But make no mistake about it, the people who are outraged are not outraged because some innocent people presumably (we still have no conclusive evidence that the Nigerian authorities acted in coldblood in their attempts to subdue the Boko Haram) died. The outrage is directed because of the fact that the Boko Haram has been annihilated. It has nothing to do with "extrajudicial killings." You should know this, because you know the ones that religiously deny that any massacre or carpet-bombing took place in Hargaisa where 50,000+ Somalis died at the hands of the MSB regime are now calling the presumed death of some innocents when the Nigerian government attempted to subdue an anarchist band evil and all kinds of name in the book.

I am just smart enough to read between the lines.
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