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Twenty years of freedom for Adeer Nelson Mandela.

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Re: Twenty years of freedom for Adeer Nelson Mandela.

Postby Voltage » Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:15 pm

it is true that SA is the leading economy of subsaharan Africa, yet 20 years after the fall of aparthied, most blacks live in townships worst than the Slums of Nairobe while the Afrikaners continue to control the country politically, economy, and most importantly militarily.

Nelson Mendala is truely a great man unfortunately most of his people are uneducated, dirt poor, HIV infested Barbarians who are so impotent that they only way they know how to channel thier frustrations is by attacking migrant for kicks, and we all know their favorite targets don't we.
South Africa has a large and vibrant Black middle class now and a large group of poor whites which did not exist 20 years ago. Do you think the slums are going to be wiped clean in decade in a developing country? Why hasn't Brazil gotten rid of the favelas? The reality is Blacks are the overwhelming majority of South Africa so they will also be the largest poor and disenfranchised group proportionate to their percentage in the country. If the townships exist and Blacks are almost all the people there, then it doesn't mean Blacks have not been empowered but simply they are still the largest poor proportionate to their population in the country.

I have seen South Africa and I have the biggest respect for the Black South African leadership for their intelligence, education, and strategies. These are men who fought 70 years against Apartheid, men who had 70 years to think about what would come after the end of Apartheid and after the end when it could have been so easy to become radical and get back at the whites like Mugabe did, the Blacks continued to let the economy be as it was but slowly overtime started empowering their people?

For example, do you know what affirmative action is? Do you know all South African companies...forget about schools, and public insitutions, but private companies cannot invest in and cannot exist in and cannot deal or work in South Africa without subscribing to the government affirmative action programme where Blacks have to be the certain level of executive leadership as well as the workers. Such programs like this have lead to many opportunities for Blacks and while it is true the Whites as the minority group still have majority control of the economy this is changing, as much has already changed. Recently the South African president who released Mandela and turned power over, Fw De Clerk said the Afrikaner ruling national party would never have turned over power to a new constitution if they knew the ANC would implement such policies.

Something is going right if I say so. :up:

BTW Somalis have got to stop thinking of themselves as the center of the universe. Somalis are not big in south Africa and 5 crimes in as much as months apart in the townships is not very visible or that remarkable. It is the Zimbabweans who really face zenophobia in South Africa because the poor don't want other poor, especially neighbors who will keep coming, to come and try to share their meager resources to them. Couple of bandits and assorted slum criminals going after foreigners like Somalis who come and disenfranchise them economically in the middle of their slums is not representative of South Africa and its people not consumes the time and attention of so many millions and millions of South Africans as you would wish.
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Re: Twenty years of freedom for Adeer Nelson Mandela.

Postby Ganjaweed » Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:17 pm

Hey guys come on, you guys are arguing over nothing. Take it easy people.
The worst one besides cunugaan xun is that grown man-child called Dhaga. Nin hadaadan ahayn walle da' kaama keento.
Why are you getting angry sxb, because allah gave me self-esteem? You still haven't answered my question as to why you give a damn about africans while your own country is in the crapper.

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Re: Twenty years of freedom for Adeer Nelson Mandela.

Postby Voltage » Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:27 pm

Why are you getting angry sxb, because allah gave me self-esteem? You still haven't answered my question as to why you give a damn about africans while your own country is in the crapper.
I give a damn because I am African just as I am Somali but the difference is these people were people that were oppressed by others and are helping themselves while Somalis had all the freedom in the world and even now do not want to help themselves.

End of story. My people are slime, the rest of Africa is not. Let's get this cleared out. For over twenty years Somalis fought over patches of desert and desert scrub. They shelled their cities, tore down their national statues, even carted off wire coppers from telephone lines. They raped their women, they enslaved their fellow unarmed Somalis, they cut their trees down for charcoal, they throw their helpless people into the sea for nothing during human smuggling, and everywhere around the world there is not a single bright Somali community all filled with beggars of the state, and engaged in nothing but welfare dependency and criminal justice system.

Why would I give a damn about these people?

If we had the true intelligence, and shouldered the responsibility of the African future after couple centuries of being raped by every criminal enterprise to come out of Europe, as many of the people we call "Adoon" do, we would have gotten somewhere. But we don't and they do and so that is why they have my respect. My respect is not given because I am a Somali or other pointless things but it is earned and Somalis have yet to earn anyone's respect in true objective measure.

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Re: Twenty years of freedom for Adeer Nelson Mandela.

Postby Dhaga Bacayl » Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:28 pm

Hey guys come on, you guys are arguing over nothing. Take it easy people.
The worst one besides cunugaan xun is that grown man-child called Dhaga. Nin hadaadan ahayn walle da' kaama keento.

Waar dee get off my ceeb hadaba. you'v been riding it so long. I need to switch and find something fresh.

Wuxuu calaacal badanaa miyaa la faraxumeeyay.

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Re: Twenty years of freedom for Adeer Nelson Mandela.

Postby Voltage » Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:34 pm

Just act your age dude, but knowing you it's probably a Goliath of a task.

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Re: Twenty years of freedom for Adeer Nelson Mandela.

Postby Ganjaweed » Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:44 pm

Why are you getting angry sxb, because allah gave me self-esteem? You still haven't answered my question as to why you give a damn about africans while your own country is in the crapper.
I give a damn because I am African just as I am Somali but the difference is these people were people that were oppressed by others and are helping themselves while Somalis had all the freedom in the world and even now do not want to help themselves.

End of story. My people are slime, the rest of Africa is not. Let's get this cleared out. For over twenty years Somalis fought over patches of desert and desert scrub. They shelled their cities, tore down their national statues, even carted off wire coppers from telephone lines. They raped their women, they enslaved their fellow unarmed Somalis, they cut their trees down for charcoal, they throw their helpless people into the sea for nothing during human smuggling, and everywhere around the world there is not a single bright Somali community all filled with beggars of the state, and engaged in nothing but welfare dependency and criminal justice system.

Why would I give a damn about these people?

If we had the true intelligence, and shouldered the responsibility of the African future after couple centuries of being raped by every criminal enterprise to come out of Europe, as many of the people we call "Adoon" do, we would have gotten somewhere. But we don't and they do and so that is why they have my respect. My respect is not given because I am a Somali or other pointless things but it is earned and Somalis have yet to earn anyone's respect in true objective measure.
See, how hard was that? At least I know now that you care, or else you wouldnt have written all that. Everything you have written I agree with, apart from wanting somalia to go through colonisation. I agree somalis at the moment are in an embarrassing predicament. Same culture, same religion, same language and same customs, yet find every reason under the sun to kill and decieve eachother. But if you look at somali history, that's all we've been doing since the beginning of time. The only difference now is we use mortars and RPGs instead of swords and spears. This shows us that the problem has always been present, and that problem is the culture and mentality of somalis. We think we are the "bee's knees" when really we are more like the donkeys anus. The pathetic conditions of somalis and somalia can't stay like that forever and something has got to give. The difference between me and you is, I will never say die and give up. I'll try my best inshallah to contribute positively to somalia because allah helps those who are patient and help themselves. There's a saying that goes something like this: "Nothing worth having ever comes free/cheaply".

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Re: Twenty years of freedom for Adeer Nelson Mandela.

Postby Dhaga Bacayl » Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:49 pm

Just act your age dude, but knowing you it's probably a Goliath of a task.
Knowing me? :lol:


I will do that when you stop acting like a bitch!

Now wipe your mouth get off my ceeb....

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Re: Twenty years of freedom for Adeer Nelson Mandela.

Postby FAH1223 » Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:50 pm

I doubt that is due to the africans.

There are things we can do to change it, and for a start having a negative attitude isn't the answer. Lol@ kill people, who would I want to kill except maybe al shabab maniacs.
I will give you an example; Angola and rwanda both went through gruesome civil wars and still came out of it. Why should somalis be any different? The key to success is Islam and education. You might argue that peace is neccessary for development to occur. But we both know that if al shabab, hisbul islam, ahlu sunnah and all the other afghan culture appreciation clubs were gone from somalia today, that somalia would still be a shithole. The reason is the culture and mentality of the people isn't fit for the 21st century (heck it isn't even fit for the middle ages) and that can only be remedied through education both islamic and "secular" whatever that is. Somalis are only to blame for their predicament, and it is only them that can solve this problem. And instead of coming to the aid of you country and being part of the solution, you guys sit in your confortable suburban homes and kiss your american/british/canadian passports. When I finish my studies, I intend to go back and fix things either by peaceful means or by force. I sincerely hope that you and voltage are just the exception and not the norm within somali youths.
You're wasting your time and you will be sorely disappointed.

The difference between Somalia and places like Liberia and Angola is that those countries still had governments in their civil wars, the world actually had a foot hold in the outcomes of those civil wars... and above all.. they actually STOPPED their civil war. Somalis everyday make a new group because fighting is the only thing thats there!

Obviously we have outside interference in Somalia's misgivings, but thats just a small token of it all and no one really gives a damn if Somalis are up on their feet or not. We haven't matter since the fall of the Soviet Union and we still don't matter today.

Somalia is self inflicted and of course it has to be self-solved. But 20 plus years of war and still no resolution amongst the same people? Its a joke, we all know the solution to the mess but no one who runs the show there will compromise for peace as long as they getting their money and driving their never ending sagas of war.

You go back and see the ungrateful AK-47s waiting for you, and then you will take up arms yourself and be no different than the mooryan running amock there. Or the human traffickers and pirates or the rapists.

Somalis do not want to help themselves and do not trust each other. I used to think that they could, but they really can't and gave up on them a while ago.


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