The Bible and Stoning in Adultery

[Galmeygaag]

If we were to judge on what is written above as willful and intentional, one can easily conclude there are minimum of three GAALs there.



Astaqfirullah

[Shirib]

A lot of ppl here don't know all of the things Sharia entails; it's a human endeavour and thus not immune from error.

Also stoning to Death is not to be found in the Qur'an, the most important Muslim Scripture.

Yea and neither is how to pray, and I believe that is the most important task for Muslims

[Twisted_Logic]

Twisted, please explain democracy and the changes of it, in America from 1700's until now.

Democracy in America has been evolving, it is still evolving and this evolution will continue as long as injustices and inequity exists within our societies. Throughout the history of this nation, there have been episodes, very painful episodes when the rights of people were infringed upon and especially during the time of slavery and the era of Jim Crow laws. We have seen the evolution of democracy when women were denied the rights to vote to the victory of the women’s suffrage movement. We see this evolution when people are denied their inherent right to the pursuit of happiness. It is this self-correcting mechanism which is inherent to democracy that makes it the most powerful and just system the world has ever seen and what distinguishes it from theocracy. Theocratic laws are set in stone and not open to compromise or correction and are almost always a tool for manipulation, exploitation and misuse and a destructive weapon of war.

It surprises me that why someone will even advocate for theocracy, especially in Somalia, when great harm and destruction is being done today in its name.

[Twisted_Logic]

Voltage,

If the difference between hate speech and Freedom of Speech is irrelevant, than why make the silly “separation of freedom and speech” argument that you constructed earlier? I drew the distinction between freedom of speech and hate speech to show how exceptionally dumb your comparison was.

The principle of dualism is one that works in every case and opportunity and people will manipulate the laws to further their own interest. This is not a point that I am arguing about. My point is simply this:

People will manipulate and misuse the religion as they have done for centuries for personal/political reasons. When they do so, great harm is done to society and the religion is perverted and its name ruined. I then concluded that the marriage between religion and politics serves no useful purpose but to deface the nobility of the religion.

Islam in its current form is too diverse and divisive and Muslims have widely divergent views and theories about the interpretations of the Quran. We see this divergence in interpretations and implementations of the Quran in a highly homogeneous society such as Somalia where our war today is one of religion and each combatant belief’s that he is doing God’s work and will go paradise if killed. As Obama said in the very video that you have posted, if Abraham is claiming that God is telling him to murder his own son, fine, “but how do we know this.?” There is nothing more dangerous and destructive than someone that beliefs that they are doing the Lord’s work; and this is why I don’t want Sharia law in either Somalia or the United States. Religion is a devastating tool of exploitation and manipulation and you just have to study how the Sharia is implemented in Saudi Arabia to see my point. The select few will get rich and stay outside the domain of the laws while the majority is oppressed and this is justified in the name of the religion. Society can do well without this shyt. This says nothing about the Sharia, it says everything about how it is implemented and used. This is a distinction you need to observe instead of making girly statements. Educate yourself, kid. You are still in college and it is not too late.

You are actually quite dense for thinking that there is a stable contradiction-free Muslim/Somali/American Society that can come to a basic agreement on the imposition and implementation of the Sharia.

Without Sharia, you wouldn't know how to pray, what steps to get married and divorced, rights for women and inheritance... and secular law has borrowed elements from the Islamic viewpoints. Which is one of the reasons they have some statue of Nabi SAW (not that I really agree with it or anything) at the Supreme Court

Hadith, you mean?

Look, we are not talking about how a person practices their religion, we are dealing with the marriage of religion and politics. If you want to grow an insanely huge beard, multiple blessings for you, but don't ask me to grow one, because I don't want to

[Narcissistic]

Twisted, please explain democracy and the changes of it, in America from 1700's until now.

Sounds like an essay question.

[Twisted_Logic]

Twisted, please explain democracy and the changes of it, in America from 1700's until now.

Sounds like an essay question.

[FAH1223]

Voltage,

If the difference between hate speech and Freedom of Speech is irrelevant, than why make the silly “separation of freedom and speech” argument that you constructed earlier? I drew the distinction between freedom of speech and hate speech to show how exceptionally dumb your comparison was.

The principle of dualism is one that works in every case and opportunity and people will manipulate the laws to further their own interest. This is not a point that I am arguing about. My point is simply this:

People will manipulate and misuse the religion as they have done for centuries for personal/political reasons. When they do so, great harm is done to society and the religion is perverted and its name ruined. I then concluded that the marriage between religion and politics serves no useful purpose but to deface the nobility of the religion.

Islam in its current form is too diverse and divisive and Muslims have widely divergent views and theories about the interpretations of the Quran. We see this divergence in interpretations and implementations of the Quran in a highly homogeneous society such as Somalia where our war today is one of religion and each combatant belief’s that he is doing God’s work and will go paradise if killed. As Obama said in the very video that you have posted, if Abraham is claiming that God is telling him to murder his own son, fine, “but how do we know this.?” There is nothing more dangerous and destructive than someone that beliefs that they are doing the Lord’s work; and this is why I don’t want Sharia law in either Somalia or the United States. Religion is a devastating tool of exploitation and manipulation and you just have to study how the Sharia is implemented in Saudi Arabia to see my point. The select few will get rich and stay outside the domain of the laws while the majority is oppressed and this is justified in the name of the religion. Society can do well without this shyt. This says nothing about the Sharia, it says everything about how it is implemented and used. This is a distinction you need to observe instead of making girly statements. Educate yourself, kid. You are still in college and it is not too late.

You are actually quite dense for thinking that there is a stable contradiction-free Muslim/Somali/American Society that can come to a basic agreement on the imposition and implementation of the Sharia.

Without Sharia, you wouldn't know how to pray, what steps to get married and divorced, rights for women and inheritance... and secular law has borrowed elements from the Islamic viewpoints. Which is one of the reasons they have some statue of Nabi SAW (not that I really agree with it or anything) at the Supreme Court

Hadith, you mean?

Look, we are not talking about how a person practices their religion, we are dealing with the marriage of religion and politics. If you want to grow an insanely huge beard, multiple blessings for you, but don't ask me to grow one, because I don't want to

Hadith and Qur'anic legislation together.

[Twisted_Logic]

FAH1223,

I don't know what you are talking about. Are you saying robbers should have their hands chopped off?

[FAH1223]

FAH1223,

I don't know what you are talking about. Are you saying robbers should have their hands chopped off?

Depends upon the case really.

At the same time, Nothing wrong with that

[Twisted_Logic]

FAH1223,

I don't know what you are talking about. Are you saying robbers should have their hands chopped off?

Depends upon the case really.

At the same time, Nothing wrong with that

No, man. Can't do that. Sorry

[Narcissistic]

Twisted, please explain democracy and the changes of it, in America from 1700's until now.

Sounds like an essay question.

Twisted, I gave you an A+ laakin inanka u sheek to do his own homework

[Twisted_Logic]

Twisted, I gave you an A+ laakin inanka u sheek to do his own homework

Sweet of you

Sadeboi is just curious, I don't mind curious people

[sadeboi]

Twisted, please explain democracy and the changes of it, in America from 1700's until now.

Democracy in America has been evolving, it is still evolving and this evolution will continue as long as injustices and inequity exists within our societies. Throughout the history of this nation, there have been episodes, very painful episodes when the rights of people were infringed upon and especially during the time of slavery and the era of Jim Crow laws. We have seen the evolution of democracy when women were denied the rights to vote to the victory of the women’s suffrage movement. We see this evolution when people are denied their inherent right to the pursuit of happiness. It is this self-correcting mechanism which is inherent to democracy that makes it the most powerful and just system the world has ever seen and what distinguishes it from theocracy. Theocratic laws are set in stone and not open to compromise or correction and are almost always a tool for manipulation, exploitation and misuse and a destructive weapon of war.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

July 4, 1776, was the day these undeniable rights were set in stone as the framework for America and its peoples. Yet throughout American history, prior to the mid 20th century, those rights ceased to exist for every single American, and only few individuals enjoyed those rights. From George Washington to his predecessors, they have all allowed slavery, and discrimination based on race, gender, and religion, even thou the constitution firmly stood against it. It was until the mid 1900 hundreds that those rights were given to every individual in this country, when the law granted them such rights in 1776. During the civil rights era, did the people utter, let us not apply the constitution and let us find new means of governance, because man are corrupt and we have witnessed this from the beginning of out countries being, and we cannot trust individuals to uphold to such rules so let's abandon it all together. They did not, because the legislation supported right of the peoples, it was men who were in the way and they stood up those men by educating themselves and fighting for what the law granted them. If you have no problems with Islamic law, but the men who wish to apply it, then educate yourself and stand up to them with your knowledge and demand what is granted to you and every individual.

It surprises me that why someone will even advocate for theocracy, especially in Somalia, when great harm and destruction is being done today in its name.

Slavery, incarceration of Japanese, Jim Crow era, and the inequality of women in our country, were all done in the name of democracy.

[Shirib]

FAH1223,

I don't know what you are talking about. Are you saying robbers should have their hands chopped off?

Yes, they should

[Twisted_Logic]

Sadeboi,

I can see where you are heading with this and as I mentioned in my previous post, this is a fair point to make. But you need to realize that all those injustices were in most cases grounded in social perceptions and attitudes of the time. With regards to slavery and injustices against women, you should remind yourself that religion was an important tool in the formation of this barbarian and cruel system and Christianity was used as a justification to rationalize the dehumanization and characterization of an entire race as 1/5 of a human. With regards to the women suffrage movement, it was atheists that lead this movement in the critical years of its inception. Religion and tradition are important tools in the preservation of bigoted and backward culture and the history of democracy in America is such. Fortunately, democracy and the Human Rights Movement has triumphed over these most primordial factors but the war is not complete and we are reminded of this reality every-day.

Democracy's self-correcting mechanism is what makes it superior to all other forms of moral laws and precisely why the US Constitution in its current form is the greatest moral document the world has ever seen