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Zimbabwe - A population that suffers in the place of one man

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Zimbabwe - A population that suffers in the place of one man

Postby Ganjaweed » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:40 pm

Look at the west's spite. They hold a whole country in economic hostage because they can't stand one man who literally threw them out on their arses in an operation aptly put "Taking out the trash".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8548916.stm
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Re: Zimbabwe - A population that suffers in the place of one man

Postby James Dahl » Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:45 pm

The thing is, Zimbabwe is a wealthy country, but two things screwed over Zimbabwe.

The first thing is that all real business in Zimbabwe buys and sells in US dollars, Euros, or other African currencies. That means that despite Zimbabwe's multi-billion dollar economy, whatever Zimbabwean money people end up with they will immediately try to get rid of in exchange for American, European or South African currency.

The second is that the government of Zimbabwe is enormous, it spends several billion dollars every year maintaining it's enormous and bloated bureaucracy through levying taxes on income and business.

Zimbabwe's economy was in decline during the 1990s due to various factors, including lessening demand for their exports. Zimbabwe's land reform, giving prime farmland to poor farmers from rich white ones, was not the death-blow people make it out to be, but Mugabe had also been keeping his government afloat on IMF debt for years and had racked up over $5 billion.

In response to Mugabe's land reform, the USA basically cut them off from all IMF funding with the "Zimbabwe Democracy and Economic Recovery Act of 2001", and the IMF called in their loans.

Mugabe's answer to retaining the size of his government, not giving into the demands of the international community and paying off the loans all at the same time was to print money. Printing money is essentially taking value away from existing money and then spending it, it's a form of taxation. The thing is, a large percentage of the population employed by the enormous government which gets paid in Zimbabwean dollars gets a piece of that income removed every time he prints another piece of Zimbabwean currency. Losing your national currency's stability is a very risky thing, and he should have pursued other avenues before going down that road.

Mugabe needs to drastically slash the expenses and bureaucracy and general bloated size of his government, and get the IMF off his back. Until he does his country will continue to spiral into ruin.

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Re: Zimbabwe - A population that suffers in the place of one man

Postby Ganjaweed » Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:15 am

James what effect would banning the systematic use of the US Dollar have on a country like Zimbabwe or Somaliland (US Dollar is heavily used)?

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Postby James Dahl » Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:36 pm

James what effect would banning the systematic use of the US Dollar have on a country like Zimbabwe or Somaliland (US Dollar is heavily used)?
How would they enforce it?
They could ban the use of everything but the Zimbabwean dollar, but that would cause the whole system to collapse.

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Re: Zimbabwe - A population that suffers in the place of one man

Postby Ganjaweed » Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:36 pm

James what effect would banning the systematic use of the US Dollar have on a country like Zimbabwe or Somaliland (US Dollar is heavily used)?
How would they enforce it?
They could ban the use of everything but the Zimbabwean dollar, but that would cause the whole system to collapse.
Actually the question was more to do with Somaliland/Somalias heavy use of the dollar because of the fact that our own money is as useful as toilet paper.

When I last visited (2007) the exchange rate was roughly 1 US Dollar = 6000 Somaliland Shillings. That's disgusting :down: .

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Re: Zimbabwe - A population that suffers in the place of one man

Postby AbdiWahab252 » Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:51 pm

Ganjaweed,

I basically agree with James' points. Mugabe's attempt at 'black empowerment' through land appropriation from whites and economic appropriation from multinationals to black Zimbabweans has been a farce. He is simply trying to enrichen his biggest supporters under the guise of redistribution of wealth and land.

As for the West, they are simply using the tools at their disposal to counter Mugabe. In the process, it is the Zimbabweans who suffer.

If I were an adviser to Mugabe, I would have simply told him to boost taxes on commercial farmers to fund the land redistribution program that the UK stopped funding. I would have also told him to gradually phase in the economic reforms and borrow a leaf from what is being done in South Africa. He could have implemented an affirmative action program for Blacks.

Unfortunately, his short sightedness and eagerness to hold on to power has lead him to take actions which have harmed Zimbabwe.

What I do sincerely admire about the people of Zimbabwe is their PATIENCE. Never have I seen a people who in the midst of such awful circumstances have not formed an armed resistance to depose the regime.

If only Somalis could have 10% of that kind of patience, we would be a better people.

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Re: Zimbabwe - A population that suffers in the place of one man

Postby AbdiWahab252 » Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:57 pm

Ganjaweed,

On your second point about currency use, there are several key challenges in the use of the Somali Shilling and SOmaliland shillings:

1. Lack of legitimacy - Due to the high counterfeiting of both currencies and lack of legitimacy of the Somaliland shilling, few customers would want to store their value in these two. The two don't instill confidence and trust in a currency which is the principle of fiat money.

2. Limited export/economic trade - Few exports are generated in proportion to imports, there is very little demand for the two currencies.

3. No Central bank - There are no central banks to regulate these currencies. Nothing backs these two currencies. You can't even be sure if the ones you have are legitimate or counterfeits.


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