Remove the concept of Somalia from your internal psyche.

[Voltage]

I wonder what the poor destitute somalis in somalia survive every day. Those who dont have relatives abroad sending them dollars. How do these people survive? They drop dead?

Stale, expired WFP food. If they get access to it.

[GENERAL_SNM]

like all your analysis this one is way of the mark. It wasn't in Somaliland this fight tuck place but in Darror which is in deep Somaligalbeed. My advice is Instead of knocking another mans ahievement and getting yourselve worked up why dont you enquire why your tribesman are being left behind. Now to analyze that and come out with something construtive would be a psoitive step.

Were you not the group whose president was hollering for the U.N to come and feed the drought which affected 95% of your people couple months ago? Where in your part of the world do you have paved roads? Where do you have running water? Where do you have sewage? Where in your society do you have literacy above 5%?

I don't get this. When I speak for the failed state known as Somalia in its entirety, why do people come in with regionalization as if they fare any better than any other place beyond the sound of gun fires?

A whole society that is so far removed from reality and primitive even outside of their country. And you wonder why the Somali people are the anus of the world.

You make alot errors Voltage but that above one concerning Somaliland was easy to point out.
Todays reality of Somalia is one thats divided which makes it easier to see who is not pulling their weight. Your region without sounding offensive is one of those who have not been able to progress in anyway. This is clear because the people who live their have not seen any kind of law and order. Instead they have become victims of warlords who dont have the ability nor the knwoledge to lead. But you are happy to share the blame in who is holding Somali back but thats wrong its the south thats holding somalia back and that includes your region.

[Voltage]

You didn't answer any of my questions and truthfully I did not expect you too either. Somaliland is part of the anus, it is why you are in U.K. Now continue to think small but while you are at it bro, stop contributing to this big topic.

[GENERAL_SNM]

You didn't answer any of my questions and truthfully I did not expect you too either. Somaliland is part of the anus, it is why you are in U.K. Now continue to think small but while you are at it bro, stop contributing to this big topic.

Again assumption is the mother of all fock ups. I had a british passport when Somalia was a country.

[Mad May]

^ How old are you then?

[Cirwaaq]

It is depressing to accept Voltage's point of view and begin to see the situation as a somali problem. It is easier to say i am from Mudugland or JubbaLand and we dont have pirates here or we dont have Al-Kebab here or we dont have HIV infested Ugandian soldiers in our Land.

The Architect(matrix): Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

- We all hope our LAND will never be like that other somali-region that is worse then our own Region.

~I hate to admit i can see voltage's point yet... i refuse to submit to despair i am save and secure from the pain other somali's have accepted as their daily norm.

- Did i create this situation - No
- Do i have the means to end it - No

Every somali would love to see a free range existence across all somali regions and each man and woman qualify and quantify their status by shear merit rather then their clan affiliation... Will it happen today?, Tomorrow? i say sometime in the distant future.

Perhabs not in any of our lifetimes.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. (Albert Einstein)

Could socialism eliminate Clan-dependent lazy bastards and force forwards the case for individual merit based system. Could Al-Shabab be classed as a form of Islamic - socialism?

[gurey25]

You didn't answer any of my questions and truthfully I did not expect you too either. Somaliland is part of the anus, it is why you are in U.K. Now continue to think small but while you are at it bro, stop contributing to this big topic.

Again assumption is the mother of all fock ups. I had a british passport when Somalia was a country.

So living outside of somaliland is proof that it is foked up??
how do you explain that isaaq have had a diaspora since before British protectorate 1885.
We made up at least a 1/3 of adens population in the 1880's , we were in the hejaz and india and sudan.
The mad mullah wars accelerated this .

for you this is a new experience , but for us it is the norm.

[Paddington Bear]

Ah! Voltage is wailing again. Is there such a thing as a voltage with no spark?

[Cinque Mtume]

Horta who are these people who keep talking about Somaliland and Puntland? Somaliland is where they fought over U.N donated Qamadi and the biggest achievement of Puntland is what U.N donation official they can meet with. The people who keep bringing this up are so in Somali bubble, this is why I group the collective Somali people together as the singularly most retrograde society on earth.

In defense of the Somalilanders, the qamadi wars took place in Ethiopia. Somaliland is a safer and more prosperous area than the Somali region in Ethiopia.

The biggest achievement of Puntland is to actually create a peaceful environment for the IDPs from Southern Somalia wether they're ancestors hailed from Puntland or not. I don't think that's an achievement by the United Nations.

[Murax]

If I was an outsider (Non Somali) Looking in, I'd think Puntland/Somaliland had Coast Guards, sustainable economies, adequate sewage (No taking dumps swatting away a gazzilion flies in mudholes), clean drinkable running water, robust Government institutions, urban planning, highways,and all the things You would find in a 2010 Sub Saharan African Country, etc. while Southern Somalia was complete anarchy.


The logical person would say, Yes, the North Has a semblance of law and order with regional administrations, while the South is in anarchy.


Gen SNM,

Yes Somaliland/Puntland are stable regions in comparison to Southern Somalia, but don't convince Yourself with bafoonery that its somehow due to the fact that somehow the human resource is better in the North than the South, the South is savage, etc. The fact of the matter is, the North (Puntland/Somaliland) did not see the Southern civil War, and were not fought over by a gazzilion clans like what happened in the South in a no holds barred death match. The entire 8 regions of the North are occupied by three clans (Harti, Isaaq, Gedobursi). Furthermore, the ruling parties in the North (SSDF/SNM) were both Pro Ethiopian movements who did not anything close to the meddling and constant militairy intervention that the South did from Ethiopia. SNM being the secondary power in Woqooyi after the SNA withdrew was easily able to fill the vaccum there, while the SSDF which is one sub,sub group was able to fill the void in Puntland. The South, You Had the most prized real estate of Somalia with the most tribal diversity, without a Government, being left to be fought over with each clan having to survivie, and forever being distrustful/wary of each other.

The fact is the entire North including Puntland/Somaliland after 20 years of peace, are by no means anything close to Government Bodies that would get credibility as a legitimate Governmental body that would be acceptable to Sub Saharan African standards. What the entire International Community, and logical Somalis recognize is that these are stable, regional administrations, that while they've been resilient in finding a way to survive without a Government, did not face anything close to the enormous task the South Has faced in trying to replace a fully functional Government (Siad's Gov) in the most densely populated, tribally and even ethnically diverse areas of Somalia, in the middle of chaos. It is complete nonsense on Your part in looking over these challenges, and not realizing that Your Geographical location Had a lot to do with the peace that You enjoy. Now don't think that I'm making excuses for Reer Koonfur and giving them a free pass, because I'm really not. Also don't think I'm hating on Somaliland/Puntland because I'm actually happy at least some people are enjoying some law and order. I'm just letting You know to keep some perspective, and to not just foolishly think "Oh, so and so are not carrying their weight". By carrying Your weight I assume You mean establishing Governmental Structures, and establishing Governmental Structures for Baydhabo, Mogadishu, Kismaayo, Marka, Beledweyn are not as easy as it is for Burco, Bossaso, etc. which last time I checked Had one clan inhabiting it each. Did You ever ask Yourself Why the whole world sat and watched the Koonfur suffer for 18 years, yet When the ICU came, Kismaayo, Mogadishu ports were thriving, Southern Somalia was in Barwaaqo, the US/Ethiopia etc. plunged and dredged Somalia into Hell again, for what? Southern Somalis even when they proved capable of building institutions, still had to deal with the enormous political challenges in restoring Dawladnimo to what the whole world knows as Somalia. During those 6 months the whole world was fixiated on Southern Somalia, yet Somailand/Puntland have been at peace for 18 years and nobody even knows, or frankly cares. That should tell You something My friend.

[Dionysus]

I wonder what the poor destitute somalis in somalia survive every day. Those who dont have relatives abroad sending them dollars. How do these people survive? They drop dead?

Stale, expired WFP food. If they get access to it.

No homie. You are wrong. They manage to find ways to make money. These guys are hardworking. It is the ones that got used to receiving remittance that can't survive without assistance because they became too lazy and dependent on hand outs. In most cities, from what I have been by people there, the food aid you are referring to never makes to the people it was intended for and ends up being sold in stores.

[wagardhac]

The Psyche of Al-Qaeda"?? psyche of Jihadism ?? he's a very sick person

[OliveOil]

I don't know why people bother to write paragraphs to get their point across