Somali Suufis and Ahmediya

[Executive]

Posting a hadith without an explantion to its background, context or relation to the topic does not validate your view. Its just cut and paste. You think Sufis are innovators, they think they are on the right path, calling each other names is pointless as you do not have the power to do anything about it. Unless of course you want to do what Al Shabab are doing now and suppress any form of religious freedom. In the long term there will always be differences, this is how Allah intended the world to be.

Name calling? An innovator is an innovator. Its his crime and everyone should have a right to condemn innovations.

[Leila25]

He is an innovator according to your belief, you have right to condemn them if you want but no right to force them to abandon their way. You dont have to be part of their innovation. The problem starts when condemnation leads to forceful action. Being an innovator is not a crime.

[Executive]

He is an innovator according to your belief, you have right to condemn them if you want but no right to force them to abandon their way. You dont have to be part of their innovation. The problem starts when condemnation leads to forceful action. Being an innovator is not a crime.

I have not established my belief in this topic, so my belief is irrelevant, I am looking at this from a Islamic perspective. If you add to the religion than you are an innovator and unless you repent this could potentially lead to hell fire. Suufis and Ahmediya are innovators for numerous reasons such as Mawlid, tawaf around grave, praying directly to awliya, believing Gulam Ahmed fulfilled the prophecies of the second coming Prophet Cise(ahmediya belief), etc....

Of course innovation is a crime, Allah (swt) curses innovators and its punishable by hell fire.

The Prophet said, "Every invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is an act of going astray, and every act of going astray will be in Hellfire" (Muslim).

[Cirwaaq]

Innovation? once again either a sufi or a Wahabi can be accused of innovation. The question if both are guilty of innovation which has right over the other? on matters of correction or pointing out the other's error.

If Wahabi's consider anyone an innovator are they themselves innocent and free from innovation?

Wahabi's use suicide bombings which murder innocent people. Innocent muslims, a suicide bomber does not discriminate.

Allah says explicitly in the Quraan,
"And do not kill yourselves. Surely, Allah is Most Merciful to you". (Surah An-Nisa Verse 29)
In another verse of the Quraan, Allah says:
"And do not throw yourselves in destruction". (Surah Al-Baqarah Verse 195)

Narrated by Jundub: The Prophet (SAW) said, "A man was inflicted with wounds and he commited suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him."

Narrated by Abu Hurairah (RA): The Prophet (SAW) said, "He who commits suicide by throttling shall keep on throttling himself in the Hell-fire (forever), and he who commits suicide by stabbing himself, he shall keep stabbing himself in the Hell-fire (forever)."

Wahabism is a sect, creation of a sect and division of muslims is an innovation!

Waging war on other muslims on the basis of sect is an innovation!

Islam teaches one to be humble and to avoid arrogance, claiming their sect(wahabism) is the best and only one that will enter paradise is an innovation for only Allah(swt) has the right to judge and grant who enters hell or heaven.


One muslim is not permitted to refer to another muslim as a kafir or a mushrik something Wahabi's have been known for from their founder who was a colonial puppet and an instigator of violence between the muslim people.


Actions and attitudes of Wahabis drive muslims away from Islam is this not more of a Bida then he who does anything a Sufi can be accused of?

How many other things have Wahabi's innovated on?

One Innovator has not right to call anyone else an innovator for that adds hypocrisy to own innovation.

[Executive]

Cirwaq

Who are the Wahabi?

[Cirwaaq]

you haven't read how we have found ourselves debating the issue of innovation?

Ok in a broader context, if you accept that muslims will diverge into 73 Sects. Will there been 72 innovators?



Wahabi's are the people who dominate the middle east, Wahabi's e.g Al-Qaida who have now spread over into east africa aka Al-shabaab. The ones that use islam as a political tool, the ones who divide muslim people and are quick to call others kafirs, mushriks. The ones that wish to control somalia and it's resources. The ones that are destroying the graves and are known to be the biggest innovoters among muslims.

[Executive]

Ok in a broader context, if you accept that muslims will diverge into 73 Sects. Will there been 72 innovators?

The remaining 72 "sects" are Ahlul Bidca (innovators) or Ahlul Ahwa (those who follow their own desires.)