Although I Hate Shabab With A Passion

[Voltage]

Say: O My servants who have transgressed against their own souls, despair not of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Truly, He is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Surah az-Zumar 39:53)

[grandpakhalif]

Voltage, It is true that Shabaab should be a bit more merciful towards the shacab because Sharica should alleviate the people from suffering. For example when a thief is caught it should be determined whether he was starving instead of immediately cutting his hands. Infact during Umar bin Khattab's time as khalifa he suspended the hand cutting due to a food shortage. Similarily Al Shabaab should become less harsh and be a bit more lenient with the shacab, until the economy is fully prospering. Having said this we should not be too critical of Al Shabaab because they are doing more good then bad as Murax has mentioned. Instead of outright condemning Shabaab we should use it as a stepping stone against Ethiopian influence and the destructive effects of Warlordism, tribalism and the forsaken plant qaat. Al Shabaab can morph into a peaceful solution for Somalia.

[Voltage]

Granpa wallahi Allah (swt) in the Qur'an is so merciful I am amazed how people label Islam as an extreme religion nor understand why some Muslims do extreme things. It is like there is no faith for them but just rigid laws. If humanity had 1 one million or even less of Allah's mercy, Muslims would have gotten their groove back.

[grandpakhalif]

Granpa wallahi Allah (swt) in the Qur'an is so merciful I am amazed how people label Islam as an extreme religion nor understand why some Muslims do extreme things. It is like there is no faith for them but just rigid laws. If humanity had 1 one million or even less of Allah's mercy, Muslims would have gotten their groove back.

Although it is impossible to emulate Allah's forgiveness, we should strive to forgive others and follow our Prophet (SCWS) who forgave one of the most despicable men, Abu Sufyan

[Shirib]

Murax I had a convo with my cousin a little bit ago and asked him if he supported the TFG or Shabaab & Xisbul Islam. His answer was the TFG.

I then asked him is Afgooye better under Xisbul Islam or Cirfo, and his answer was Xisbul Islam is the best thing they've seen during this civil war.

And that's coming from a guy who is adamantly against Shabaab and Xisbul Islam, but facts are they are million times better than the warlords.

[udun]

This week WFP was found unloading military equipment at Bosaso port.

Paidmonk,

I didn't pick this story up. Do we know who was the intended receiver? Could it be for Suufi groups?

WFP delivering weopons? I have heard many times the NGOs deliver ammunition to Somali factions but this is the 1st time I heard a UN agency such as WFP is supplying the weapons?

Thanx.

[Cirwaaq]

Let us be mindfull not to push another somali into defending Al-shabab at the cost of their own Safety or liberty.

The history of judicial hanging in Britain 1735 - 1964.
http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/hanging1.html

http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/behead.html
Beheading used in Briton until 1747, Norway until 1905, Sweden 1903, Denmark until 1892, France 1792, Germany until 1938 and still remains lawfull in saudi arabia, Qadar, Yemen and Iran.

It does not matter how good Al-shabab may be or their relative benefit to the somali people they are Marked for termination as they cannot be put on a LEASH. If nothing else was available to use against them they would be classed as dangerous on the basis that they contribute towards global warming with their excessive use of Motorised vehicles...

I have not seen a single inteligent response from those that wish to present these guys in good light. Of the countries that used to have beheadings and those that still do HOW MANY WOULD ALLOWED any outside entity to dictate to them how they should run their affairs???

You need to realise this is not about RIGHT or WRONG this is about what type of leadership in the horn of africa is most acceptable. Sh.Shariff is willing to negotiate, Al-shabab has not desire to negotiate with anyone. They pose a realistic threat to the region as a whole. Land locked ethiopia with its 82million population would be put on a strangle hold from the somali frontier while eriteria disrupts the djobuuti route.

My objection to al-shabab is not out of love for ethiopians but believe in effectiveness of peace. How many reverts in Europe, USA, Canada and the world? There is a better chance for Islam to grow in time of peace then in War this is not the time of the Ottomans or the first 3 generations it is a new age that requires a new aproach on islamic politics. Islam does not need to revert the world the world's population is reverting by Allah's will. Al-shabab impedes the growth of Islam through negative publicity. Many countries use sharia law why is Somalia so much more interesting? it is not. Al-Shabab are harming Islam and they are harming Somalia Be it direct or even more so indirectly they represent a force that will for ever hold teh somali people and land hostage and disfranchised.

Deny it all you like, some of us will hate them some of us will see their better side it all comes down to this. Can they represent a somali agenda on the international platform?

[udun]

Never understood why people hate them. They have brought peace to Southern Somalia areas under their control. Ask the unarmed and badly abused communities in Southern Somalia about their previous condition under the warlords and their conditions now under Al-Shabaab. They will tell you that for them it is Allah accepting their prayers. They can farm their farms without paying unreasonable dues to the warlords. They can get their properties back from those who seize it before, and the WFP that destroyed Somalia's bread basket was barred from operating areas under the control of Al-shabaab. A Somali Bantu who works in the Kismayo port have stated "unuka kuwaanaa noo fiican" and when he was asked why, he has stated "dhididkeenay na siiyaan." When people asked him to elaborate more what he means by that, he has stated he earns regularly 300,000 Somali shilings daily. That is $10 dollars a day. After he finishes his work at sunset, all he used to take home was 5,000 shillings. He used to give the rest of the money to the militia junkpoints that he used to go to thorough to get his home. Today, he takes all of his pay to his family. So, for any Somali who is criticizing them, my challenge to you is what is your solution for the defenseless and the unarmed people of Southern Somalia?

Another charge people label them is their understanding of Islam is limited. However, Somalis who are familiar with them attribute them to people who are good at their words. Most of the people who also accuse them of being islamically weak also do have other agendas and therefore are not truthful with their criticism. It is also evident that this is an organization that is transforming and not really static. They have been lately using less force and were focusing on working with community elders and were actually paying attention to the massive campaign against them.

People also remember how they massively resisted Ethiopia's military aggression against Somalia and sucessfully evicted that invader.

[Cirwaaq]

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After you watch this clip tell me if they have a future in the modern world? Do they represent the interests of the somali people? They boldly threaten to firstly occupy somalia then use it as a base of opperations againts the world. That is nothing short of signing the death warrant of all somalis and they do this on behalf of the somali people without consideration to them and without their consent.

Somalia cant afford Black Hawk Down 2.

There are many countries that are richer, more powerfull and with greater population of muslims then somalia, i dont see them attempting to restablish the calipha.

They are putting a country that has suffered 2 decades of war on a suicide mission. Pure and simple.

[abdalla11]

Speaking of the Hudud laws, God is merciful why are humans or Shabaab-types not?

"And those who invoke not any other god along with Allah, nor kill such life as Allah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse (zina) and whoever does this shall receive the punishment. The torment will be doubled to him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein in disgrace; except those who repent and believe and do righteous deeds, for those Allah will change their sins into good deeds, and Allah is Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful." (al-Furqaan #25, ayat #68-70)

Almost always Allah (Swt) says in the Qur'an punish them this way unless they repent then don't do it meaning people have the option of asking for forgiveness provided it is genuine. So why do these punishments happen? Have people refused to repent directly to their lord?

This is the problem with copy and paste from the school of shaykh google. They will be forgiven on the Day of jugdement if the repent or else their torment will be doubled, don't underline the latter one while neglecting the first.

[LobsterUnit]

I disagree. Most Humans reports on Somalia do condemn all of the groups in Somalia. It's the media that concentrates only on alleged injustices of Islamists. But that is fairly obvious and we know why.

[Mad May]

I disagree. Most Humans reports on Somalia do condemn all of the groups in Somalia. It's the media that concentrates only on alleged injustices of Islamists. But that is fairly obvious and we know why.

The retard didn't even read the title of the report:
Harsh War, Harsh Peace: Abuses by al-Shabaab, the Transitional Federal Government, and AMISOM in Somalia

[qoraxeey]

Sh. Shariif aka Sh. Dalxiis

is to blame for this mess

[Hyperactive]

what`s going on in somalia whatever name they have is far from being islamic.

every one looking for hukum. younth who know nothing about some people`s agenda are victimized.

Allah dadka ka o sahlo.

[Hyperactive]

Sh. Shariif aka Sh. Dalxiis

is to blame for this mess

i dont blame him knowing somali mentality.

maطlin malàmat o present ba laka diga la yiri , what else he would do but accepting it?
even he doesnt know what he supposed to d!!