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Re: African American proclaims Somali Heritage

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:05 am
by LobsterUnit
Abdihaliim wrote:http://www.oromoindex.com/forums/showthread.php?6321-A-TRUE-STORY-OF-OROMO-SLAVES-BY-THE-(MUSLIM)



i believe the fool that disses islam and somalis on oromoindex forum is the nacas called xaarplaya. what a waste of space!

Re: African American proclaims Somali Heritage

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:09 am
by 2ndtoNone
in that case this DNA and DNA tests are useless to Somalis.
Because a person can only be considered to be a Somali ( or of Somali origin) when his clan is determined.

Re: African American proclaims Somali Heritage

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:17 am
by LobsterUnit
2ndtoNone wrote:in that case this DNA and DNA tests are useless to Somalis.
Because a person can only be considered to be a Somali ( or of Somali origin) when his clan is determined.


It's not useless in one sense, as the dna tests done here are all returning the same results, with he exception of dawa, of course. This casts doubt over the validity of the mythology that claims some tribes originate from middle eastern sheikhs, whilst other somalis originate from East Africa. In other words, it strengthens the case of those who argue that the stories of sheikh isaac, darood and co are all made up. Having said that, there needs to be testing of a large number of Somalis to determine.

Re: African American proclaims Somali Heritage

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:34 am
by James Dahl
2ndtoNone wrote:hey James, can you find out which tribe does this guy's ancestors belong to.

He can only be somali if his father is somali as well as his granddad (his fathre's father) his great grand father(his grand father's father) and so on.

If he has obtained the somali dna from the females( his mother, grandmother and soforth) he is still just the negro that he looks.


You can only receive Y-DNA from your father, your mother does not have a Y chromosome and it is impossible to get Y-DNA from your mother's side.
I got in touch with him but it looks like he's having trouble getting access to his STR results, they want him to pay for another test or something.
From the sound of his results, I think he got back E1b1b, which yes, Somalis as well as Algerian Berbers have, but so does a dozen other ethnic groups spread across Africa, it's 30,000 years old. It's a bit premature to say he has a Somali haplotype.

The "Somali" haplogroup is not unique to Somalis even, it's also found amongst Oromo, Afar, Beja, Sudanese, south Egyptians, and the Fur and Masalit of Sudan. It's 8.5 thousand years old!

You can find specific "Somali" haplotypes though, for instance in the last round of SomaliNet's local research our participants put "names to faces" for many of the haplotypes found in for instance the Hallenberg 2005 study, and those are much younger lineages than E1b1b1a1b in general, maybe a 500-1000 years old or younger.

Re: African American proclaims Somali Heritage

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:44 pm
by James Dahl
So I've talked to him and he sent me his STR markers, he is definitely E1b1a8

Re: African American proclaims Somali Heritage

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:31 pm
by SahanGalbeed
So what does that mean ?

Re: African American proclaims Somali Heritage

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:32 pm
by James Dahl
SahanGalbeed wrote:So what does that mean ?


West African

Re: African American proclaims Somali Heritage

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:56 pm
by Ganjaweed
E1b1a8? That's not even E3b, which is the Somali/Berber/Egyptian gene.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1a_%28Y-DNA%29

Re: African American proclaims Somali Heritage

Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:20 am
by BODHI
LMFAO IN A WORLD WHERE SOMALIS DON'T EVEN WANNA CLAIM SOMALI SUCH AS I WHY WOULD HE WANT TO BE SUCH A THING

Re: African American proclaims Somali Heritage

Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:15 am
by Aliyyi Oromada
abdisamad3 wrote:bareento who sold the oromos as slaves?
and why didnt they fight againste the slavetraders?


Assalamu aleykum,

It wasn't a matter of fighting against slave traders. That's not how it worked. The institution existed for many reasons but predominantly because of war. If you were a nation which had wars prior to 'modern days' then there would have been captives taken from you & sold into slavery. That's how it worked in those days. So for example if the invasion of Somalia happened in 1806, rather than 2006, there would have been a market afterwards like any other war. And when you take a captive, you grab them by the ear and sell them in the market to merchants who specialize in the trade. Any region there is war, the markets nearby have slaves. Men, women and children. Christian or Muslim, white or brown, king or peasant. No exceptions.

Re: African American proclaims Somali Heritage

Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:57 pm
by Basra-
Is Nabeela and Ganjaweed the same person? :o :lol: :lol: (Ganjounit as well)

Re: African American proclaims Somali Heritage

Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:01 pm
by NewHargeisaGirl
kaasje7 wrote:
Newhargeisagirl wrote:For some reason I feel sad watching him :( he is so adorbale though :up:


Image


This character is obsessed with me :evil:

Re: African American proclaims Somali Heritage

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:42 am
by bareento
Aliyyi Oromada wrote:
abdisamad3 wrote:bareento who sold the oromos as slaves?
and why didnt they fight againste the slavetraders?


Assalamu aleykum,

It wasn't a matter of fighting against slave traders. That's not how it worked. The institution existed for many reasons but predominantly because of war. If you were a nation which had wars prior to 'modern days' then there would have been captives taken from you & sold into slavery. That's how it worked in those days. So for example if the invasion of Somalia happened in 1806, rather than 2006, there would have been a market afterwards like any other war. And when you take a captive, you grab them by the ear and sell them in the market to merchants who specialize in the trade. Any region there is war, the markets nearby have slaves. Men, women and children. Christian or Muslim, white or brown, king or peasant. No exceptions.


Wat depresses me is that there were/are no anti slavery mouvement in the Muslim world;
That the only two "Islamic" countries in Africa openly practice slavery (sudan and mauritania) :cry:

I think we Muslims need a kind of CULTURAL REVOLUTION...

B.

Re: African American proclaims Somali Heritage

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:16 am
by abdisamad3
BODHI wrote:LMFAO IN A WORLD WHERE SOMALIS DON'T EVEN WANNA CLAIM SOMALI SUCH AS I WHY WOULD HE WANT TO BE SUCH A THING

speak for your self lowlife sharmoota..nacalad tullah.

Re: African American proclaims Somali Heritage

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:17 am
by abdisamad3
Aliyyi Oromada wrote:
abdisamad3 wrote:bareento who sold the oromos as slaves?
and why didnt they fight againste the slavetraders?


Assalamu aleykum,

It wasn't a matter of fighting against slave traders. That's not how it worked. The institution existed for many reasons but predominantly because of war. If you were a nation which had wars prior to 'modern days' then there would have been captives taken from you & sold into slavery. That's how it worked in those days. So for example if the invasion of Somalia happened in 1806, rather than 2006, there would have been a market afterwards like any other war. And when you take a captive, you grab them by the ear and sell them in the market to merchants who specialize in the trade. Any region there is war, the markets nearby have slaves. Men, women and children. Christian or Muslim, white or brown, king or peasant. No exceptions.

I see bro.