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Re: The origin of the term SOMALIA

Postby paidmonk » Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:14 pm

So in old Somali means cow, like sac

Maal means to live off of.

Soomaal to live off cows, or livestock

Biiyomaal, the ones who live off water

Tumaal the ones who live off beating metal

Dumaal the ones who live off their dumaashi
Interesting. But the language used by Hatshepsut might have been the Egyptian language or a much older Somali language. The period was circa 1400 BC, that's over 3,000 years in the past, I'm sure we spoke a language nearly unrecognizable from our current Somali. The differences between Af-Maay and mainstream Somali are huge, imagine a language 3,000 years in the past.

We know for sure the word came from either the Arab Muslims or a nearby African civilization, if the term Somali came before the Arabs then history might easily point to Egypt.

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Re: The origin of the term SOMALIA

Postby Oxidant » Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:28 pm

Do you have the link for Hatshepsut’s expedition to the land of Punt in English?

Can't find it

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Re: The origin of the term SOMALIA

Postby paidmonk » Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:34 pm

Do you have the link for Hatshepsut’s expedition to the land of Punt in English?

Can't find it
How can you not find it? Its one of the most well-recorded events in ancient history, google turns up thousands of lengthy research papers.

Below is an essay from a Texas A&M professor. The professor identifies the Land of Punt as being "near present day Somalia."

http://ocean.tamu.edu/Quarterdeck/QD3.1 ... epsut.html

Even Egypt's tourism website has a link on the Land of Punt, calling it a land of "dark reddish people."

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/punt.htm
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Re: The origin of the term SOMALIA

Postby DR-YALAXOOW » Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:35 pm

original somali term is come from word SAMAAALE which was called native tribes in land of samaales REER irir samaale whichs hawiye and hes brother dir, and their cousins sub-samaale(raxanweyns)
those samaaale people later become the name which we known today whichs SOOOMAALI

dooros and others like isaaks are not includided somalis becouse they come from ARABIA. one in yemen other in syria, but for sure jabarti from yemen was a run away slave who come somalia from yemen we call today dooroods, those tribes which we call dooroods are not real soomaalis but they hade been given citizenship of soomaalinimo. aka samaalinimo

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Re: The origin of the term SOMALIA

Postby udun » Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:38 pm

The name Soomaali is at least 3,000 years old. Most of the historians on this earth believe that we are one of the oldest races on this earth. We have always been present on this part of the world and we have always had our language and customs. Even the majority of the current Soomaali language is found in the ancient Egyptian languages but I am surprised why we need to spend time on SNET about this topic if we are not historians by profession. May be Professor Gandi and other Somali Historian scholars can explain it but I doubt we, historian ameteurs, can really resolve it in this thread.

Both Maay and Maxaa Soomaali dielects have the same origin. Actually, I have seen reports where the Maxaa Soomaali was deriven from the Maay Soomaali.

Well, that is Udun's two cents!!!

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Re: The origin of the term SOMALIA

Postby Shirib » Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:40 pm

The name Soomaali is at least 3,000 years old. Most of the historians on this earth believe that we are one of the oldest races on this earth. We have always been present on this part of the world and we have always had our language and customs. Even the majority of the current Soomaali language is found in the ancient Egyptian languages but I am surprised why we need to spend time on SNET about this topic if we are not historians by profession. May be Professor Gandi and other Somali Historian scholars can explain it but I doubt we, historian ameteurs, can really resolve it in this thread.

Both Maay and Maxaa Soomaali dielects have the same origin. Actually, I have seen reports where the Maxaa Soomaali was deriven from the Maay Soomaali.

Well, that is Udun's two cents!!!
Maay is older of the two dialects. A lot of words in maay you will hear used in mahaa tiri, in old poems and what not

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Re: The origin of the term SOMALIA

Postby Shirib » Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:40 pm

Linguistically, Somali was classified as a member of the Eastern Cushitic sub-group of the Cushitic branch of the Hamito-Semitic family. Languages that belong to the Hamito-Semitic family were usually sub-divided into branches that represented dialects of the original parent language. These were Semitic, Egyptian, Berber, Cushitic and Chadic.

While some linguists rejected the existence of a genetic affinity between the Chadic and other branches of the Hamito-Semitic, others accepted it Similarly, on the basis of the low percentage of vocabulary items shared between the West Cushitic languages and other members of the Cushitic branch, some scholars classified West Cushitic as a separate branch of the Hamito-Semitic known as Omotic. Still others connect Omotic with the Chadic group.

In view of such considerable differences of opinion among linguists as to which language belonged to which group and the criteria to be applied in identifying a language, it would in the view of the author, be wise to expand the scope of the criteria to be applied. Just as new genetic evidence points to the fact that all human beings came from the same family of man and woman, available linguistic evidence also points to the same genetic origin of all languages. Obviously, the present criterion for classifying languages on the basis of the common origin of the most ancient vocabulary and word elements used to express grammatical relations were clearly inadequate and the cause of such difference of opinion. Consequently, a study of a language’s etymology would not only add to our knowledge of a people’s ancient history and culture but could also help in determining the age of a language as well as its relationship with other languages. However, the study of the word formation of a language was a rather complex subject and could only be attempted by a native with a fairly large reservoir of vocabulary, an inner feeling for the cultural circumstances in which a word formed as well as a working knowledge of other sister languages. Studying a language as a foreign medium was, in the opinion of the author, hardly enough to comprehend variations of the words of an ancient yet living language such as Somali.

Unfortunately, the present study raises more questions than it provides answers in a discipline already beset with conflicting theories and arguments. However, whatever linguistic characteristics Somali seems to share with other languages of the Cushitic group, the presence of a fairly large number of ancient objects of worship as well as names of God clearly separates it from the group and calls for a more comprehensive study of the language.

(P.S. For the purpose of clarity, gods of Somali origin identified in the study as well as Somali words used are rendered in the new Somali orthography.)

Contrary to the accepted traditional classification and the recent claim by Prof. M. Nuh (PhD UCLA 1981) that Somali separated from parent Cushitic some 3000 to 3500 years ago, it was evident from the study the language could well belong to the ancient stage of the Hamito-Semitic if not earlier. The fact that it survived almost intact over several millennia could probably be due to its speakers’ unchanged pastoralist way of life and their almost geographical isolation in the North-Eastern corner of the Horn of Africa.

Probably the most important word in the Somali language is its name, i.e. SOMALI. Often misunderstood and occasionally misinterpreted by Somali and foreign scholars alike, the author thought it befitting that the study should begin with it. Contrary to all erroneous theories advanced and meanings attributed to it, the name was a simple Somali noun describing the profession of its speakers, namely SOMAAL. In old Somali, so’ meant meat – now replaced by the modern word HILIB. Among speakers of MAI dialect, however, SO’ was still very much in use and was the only word for meat. The suffix MAAL means to live on or to make gain from. Hence SO’MAAL literally means ‘one who lives on meat’ – in other words a pastoralist.

Apparently, in ancient times, Somalis were more efficiently divided along professional lines as opposed to the present cumbersome system of lineage. The TUMAAL was the iron-monger, BAAJIMAAL was the potter and BIYOMAAL (literally the one who lives on or makes gain from water) was either a cultivator or a fisher. Presently, a sub-clan of the main Dir clan-family is called BIYOMAAL and live along the lower parts of the Shabelle river – though they practice both farming and pastoralism. To this day, however, the SO’MAAL, TUMAAL and BAAJIMAAL live true to their old professions. In line with similar words in the language, the difficult-to-pronounce Hamzah (’) in SO’MAAL was later dropped and replaced by the long vowel SOOMAAL.

The only other Somali word with the suffix MAAL was DUMAAL which meant ‘one who gained from death’. DUMAAL was the word commonly used for wife-inheritance. In Somali tradition, a man is expected to inherit the wife of his deceased brother. Similarly, in the event of death of one’s wife, her younger sister is usually given to him in marriage to take the place of her deceased elder sister. Therefore, in Somali, a sister-in-law was a DUMAASHI (which should have basically been DUMAAL-SHI).

WAD’AAD (now WADAAD), evidently the pre-Islamic word for priest (man of religion) was still commonly used and contained the ancient ‘Hamitic’ god WAD. Hence WAD’AAD, or more recently WADAAD, meant the attendant of WAD. In modern Somali, WAD meant ‘death’. Similarly, DAR’AAD (currently GARAAD) meant ‘an expert in law’ – probably the clan advocate. In modern Somali, however, GARAAD today means prince or Sultan of a clan.

Another supposedly ‘ancient Hamitic god’, HOBAL, also was evidently of Somali origin. HOOBAL – alternatively HOOYAL – was probably the best known of all Somali gods and continues to dominate Somali poetry and traditional folklore songs. Pagan Arabia’s most important god, HUBAL, was none other than the Somali HUBAL, co-opted and given an Arabised sound. In modern Somali today, HOBAL, was understood to mean ‘Artiste’. The ancient god was probably the patron-god of Somali literature.

Undoubtedly the most important aspect of the present study was the Somali-Egyptian relationship. Present linguistic evidence showed at least five of ancient Egypt’s gods came from or had obvious links with the country they at times called ‘The Land of the Gods’. For instance, the supreme sun god, RA’ (also alternatively called RA and RE) occurs as a component of a number of culturally-important Somali words. The all-important ritual word for slaughter, GOWRAC, clearly indicates the sun god was as old as the language itself. GOWRAC literally meant ‘cut for RAC’. The Oromo word for the same ritual was GORA’ with a Hamzah substituted for the more difficult to pronounce C (’). RA was the only god Somali shared with other Eastern Cushitic branch with the exception of Waq which it also shares with the Oromo. Other Somali words which also contained the supreme sun god GARAC (an illegitimate child), ARRAWEELO (AR-RA-WEELO), the legendary pagan queen who castrated a whole generation of the Somali menfolk. ARRAWEELO literally meant ‘The one who obeyed RA’. The Somali word for ‘wrong’ was GURRAC (GUR-RAC). GUR meant ‘the left hand’, which in most languages stood for ‘wrong’.

The two words GARRE (GAR-RE) and BARRE (BAR-RE) incorporated the third alias of the sun god, RE. Consequently, GARRE meant the same as GARAC – both meaning an illegitimate child. Hence the saying “GARRE GARAC MALE” – meaning the GARRE (a clan in the south) have no illegitimate child. It was an accepted tradition to this day among the clan that a newly-wed bride was immediately taken away by young herdsmen and could not be returned to her husband until she was pregnant. BARRE (BAR-RE) meant god’s rain. BAR means rain drops as in BARWAAQO (BAR-WAQ).

HOROUS, the second most important of ancient Egypt’s gods, also appears to have originated in the ‘Land of the gods’. The dark falcon deity (Somali ABOODI) still remains a much feared bird. It was believed to be particularly dangerous to newly-born babies and nursing mothers. A piece of the bird’s bones or its claw was traditionally tied around the infant as a protection against its harmful spells. In North-Eastern Somalia in particular, the male name HORUSE was given to a child of dark complexion. To protect themselves against the falcon’s evil eye, nursing mothers often carry a knife or a short stick of the WAGAR tree. Incidentally, the Egyptian pharaohs reportedly carried the same WAGAR stuff to the battlefield to ensure victory against the enemy.

OSIRIS, another of ancient Egypt’s gods who reportedly ruled the underworld after being killed by SET (Ed. Somali SED), was evidently a Greek distortion of ISIR and WASIIR in Somali. Today, Somalis sometimes refer to AB and ISIR in their denial of an accusation that was culturally horrendous. One usually says "I have neither AB nor ISIR for such an act" – meaning I have neither the genetic probability nor the cultural or religious orientation to commit such a horrendous act.

The pair WALCAN and WASIIR, now on their way to oblivion, were also used in a similar but slightly varying context. In modern Somali, however, ISIR was commonly used as a female name.

NEPHDEYS and BES, two less prominent ancient Egyptian gods, also appear to have some affinity with the Somali language. While NAF in Somali meant ‘soul’, NEF meant ‘breath’. Hence NEPHDEYS literally would mean ‘The one who releases breath – a function more or less attributed to the ancient god. BES in Somali meant ‘One who was in his or her deathbed’ – also a function the latter god was associated with.

The ancient Cananite god, PAL, was still alive in Somali in the same sense but probably in only two words – UUR-KU-BAALE-LE and YABAAL. The rarely used UUR-KU-BAAL-LE meant ‘One who has BAL in him’. One would usually ask: “How do you expect me to know your intentions? Do you think I have BAAL in me?” In essence, this meant only one who had BAAL in him could foretell the hidden or the unknown. YABAAL, possibly an alternative name for BAAL, was usually associated with the voice, of an invisible being that told one what to do or not to do in time of crisis in the wilderness.

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Re: The origin of the term SOMALIA

Postby Somaliweyn » Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:08 am

Consequently, GARRE meant the same as GARAC – both meaning an illegitimate child. Hence the saying “GARRE GARAC MALE” – meaning the GARRE (a clan in the south) have no illegitimate child. It was an accepted tradition to this day among the clan that a newly-wed bride was immediately taken away by young herdsmen and could not be returned to her husband until she was pregnant.
WTF, Shirib what Garre are they talking about and is this pervert tradition still alive?

I know there is Garre-Hawiye and Garre-Digil.

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Re: The origin of the term SOMALIA

Postby Shirib » Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:16 am

Garre Hawiye only exist on the internet

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Re: The origin of the term SOMALIA

Postby paidmonk » Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:18 am

Hawiye and Rahanweyn share too many clans. They both share Garre, they both share Ajuraan, sometimes Jareerweyn, pretty soon they will call dibs on Luo and Borana. :|

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Re: The origin of the term SOMALIA

Postby Voltage » Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:21 am

Soomaal = one who makes a living out of pastoralism

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Re: The origin of the term SOMALIA

Postby Shirib » Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:22 am

Hawiye and Rahanweyn share too many clans. They both share Garre, they both share Ajuraan, sometimes Jareerweyn, pretty soon they will call dibs on Luo and Borana. :|
Garre are Digil, there is no such thing as Garre oo Hawiye ah

We never claimed Ajuuraan, they go back and forth from being other and Hawiye claiming them

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Re: The origin of the term SOMALIA

Postby Voltage » Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:40 am

Hawiye and Rahanweyn share too many clans. They both share Garre, they both share Ajuraan, sometimes Jareerweyn, pretty soon they will call dibs on Luo and Borana. :|
Garre are Digil, there is no such thing as Garre oo Hawiye ah

We never claimed Ajuuraan, they go back and forth from being other and Hawiye claiming them
The Garre of Afgooye are sometimes Rahanweyn, sometimes Gugandhabe Hawiye but 100% of them claim Somali. The Garre of Ethiopia and N. Kenya consider themselves a bridge between Somalis and Oromo.

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Re: The origin of the term SOMALIA

Postby Shirib » Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:54 am

Hawiye and Rahanweyn share too many clans. They both share Garre, they both share Ajuraan, sometimes Jareerweyn, pretty soon they will call dibs on Luo and Borana. :|
Garre are Digil, there is no such thing as Garre oo Hawiye ah

We never claimed Ajuuraan, they go back and forth from being other and Hawiye claiming them
The Garre of Afgooye are sometimes Rahanweyn, sometimes Gugandhabe Hawiye but 100% of them claim Somali. The Garre of Ethiopia and N. Kenya consider themselves a bridge between Somalis and Oromo.
Garre oo Hawiye sheeganaayaan internetka aan ku arkay

Kuwa NFD and Ogadenia are lost souls, been mixing with Borana too long

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Re: The origin of the term SOMALIA

Postby waryaa » Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:12 am

The name Soomaali is at least 3,000 years old. Most of the historians on this earth believe that we are one of the oldest races on this earth.
It is very simple to know how old our ethnicity is genealogically but it needs a little funding.

In today's technology, we can scientifically know:
1- how old our unique gene is and how many dominant parent genes it carries and what percntage.
2- our closest relatives (arabs/rwandans/africans/indians/etc) and what percentage
According to human genealogy, present day man sprung from Africa (little people in God must be crazy movie) carry the oldest gene. That little guy in the movie's gene can be found in every living human being today. So the question about Somalis is "did we get off the human journey bus before it crossed into Asia or did we actually follow it to Asia and came back?

Once and for all, this somali gene thing should be cracked - All what u need is to get dna from a few thousand country folks.

It has been done to other societies, why not us.


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