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She visited Egypt, but there absolutely no proff that the land of punt was in Somalia. In fact, recent evidence from the mummies of baboons ruled out Somalia and Yemen as being the location of punt. Eritrean and Ethiopian baboon remains matched more with ancient baboons from Egypt.I think Shirib's explanation makes sense, rather than any foreign monarch landing on SOmalia and naming the people.How can you not find it? Its one of the most well-recorded events in ancient history, google turns up thousands of lengthy research papers.Do you have the link for Hatshepsut’s expedition to the land of Punt in English?
Can't find it
Below is an essay from a Texas A&M professor. The professor identifies the Land of Punt as being "near present day Somalia."
http://ocean.tamu.edu/Quarterdeck/QD3.1 ... epsut.html
Even Egypt's tourism website has a link on the Land of Punt, calling it a land of "dark reddish people."
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/punt.htm
But when did we start using Somalia? before the union the north was known as somaliland, which is a germanic suffix i.e. england, deutschland, ireland, scotland nederland etc, and the south as Somalia i.e. italia, croatia, espana (pronounced espania), colombia etc.Somali = Somali people
ia = greek/latin suffix meaning land of
Not quite true, there are many other somali words with the suffix MAAL. such as AFMAAL and XOOGMAAL.Apparently, in ancient times, Somalis were more efficiently divided along professional lines as opposed to the present cumbersome system of lineage. The TUMAAL was the iron-monger, BAAJIMAAL was the potter and BIYOMAAL (literally the one who lives on or makes gain from water) was either a cultivator or a fisher. Presently, a sub-clan of the main Dir clan-family is called BIYOMAAL and live along the lower parts of the Shabelle river – though they practice both farming and pastoralism. To this day, however, the SO’MAAL, TUMAAL and BAAJIMAAL live true to their old professions. In line with similar words in the language, the difficult-to-pronounce Hamzah (’) in SO’MAAL was later dropped and replaced by the long vowel SOOMAAL.
The only other Somali word with the suffix MAAL was DUMAAL which meant ‘one who gained from death’. DUMAAL was the word commonly used for wife-inheritance. In Somali tradition, a man is expected to inherit the wife of his deceased brother. Similarly, in the event of death of one’s wife, her younger sister is usually given to him in marriage to take the place of her deceased elder sister. Therefore, in Somali, a sister-in-law was a DUMAASHI (which should have basically been DUMAAL-SHI).
Shamal means north in Arabic and Shamali means anything located on the north; anyhow wouldn't you think they would rather name it Sharqa or Sharqia or belad the Mashriq (ie countries of the east since Somalia is on east of africa) anything that holds the meaning of east. PS: Sharq is east in Arabic!Shomali means northerner in farsi (شمالی/shamaali in arabic, root word of course being shamaal/north). The fact that the land is referred to as Soomaal, and the people Soomaali (w/ the suffix -i) I think supports this linguistic root. Similar to habasha (land), habashi (people), yemen (land), yemeni(people). That's just my opinion. Its the most convincing thing I've seen
original somali term is come from word SAMAAALE which was called native tribes in land of samaales REER irir samaale whichs hawiye and hes brother dir, and their cousins sub-samaale(raxanweyns)
those samaaale people later become the name which we known today whichs SOOOMAALI
dooros and others like isaaks are not includided somalis becouse they come from ARABIA. one in yemen other in syria, but for sure jabarti from yemen was a run away slave who come somalia from yemen we call today dooroods, those tribes which we call dooroods are not real soomaalis but they hade been given citizenship of soomaalinimo. aka samaalinimo
أنا جامده!!! يا شيخ الف شكر علي المجامله، كل الي في الحكايه اني انا شفت ناس بتخرف فانا علشان خاطر المشاركه القوميه بخرف معهم
Navy, mumkin taktubi kul al-tarikh min asoomal, 3alshan anti gameeda wa lazam tastamri
I didn't post the full article but the author did say that this is not concrete and that more research had to be doneNot quite true, there are many other somali words with the suffix MAAL. such as AFMAAL and XOOGMAAL.Apparently, in ancient times, Somalis were more efficiently divided along professional lines as opposed to the present cumbersome system of lineage. The TUMAAL was the iron-monger, BAAJIMAAL was the potter and BIYOMAAL (literally the one who lives on or makes gain from water) was either a cultivator or a fisher. Presently, a sub-clan of the main Dir clan-family is called BIYOMAAL and live along the lower parts of the Shabelle river – though they practice both farming and pastoralism. To this day, however, the SO’MAAL, TUMAAL and BAAJIMAAL live true to their old professions. In line with similar words in the language, the difficult-to-pronounce Hamzah (’) in SO’MAAL was later dropped and replaced by the long vowel SOOMAAL.
The only other Somali word with the suffix MAAL was DUMAAL which meant ‘one who gained from death’. DUMAAL was the word commonly used for wife-inheritance. In Somali tradition, a man is expected to inherit the wife of his deceased brother. Similarly, in the event of death of one’s wife, her younger sister is usually given to him in marriage to take the place of her deceased elder sister. Therefore, in Somali, a sister-in-law was a DUMAASHI (which should have basically been DUMAAL-SHI).
And as for the word 'SOO' meaning 'meat' and soomaal meaning 'one who makes a living out of meat'. I ask the question what do the following terms mean:
SOO RAAC
SOO NOQO'
SOO DIL
SOO SHAQEE
SOO MAAN DILIN
SOO MAAN ARKIN etc
the writer of the article focussed too much on the links between somali words and words in other languages but has not looked at or has not giving enough attention the links and the relationship between different soomaali words and phrases, which I believe wouldh have shed more light into the subject.
Ok!I didn't post the full article but the author did say that this is not concrete and that more research had to be doneNot quite true, there are many other somali words with the suffix MAAL. such as AFMAAL and XOOGMAAL.Apparently, in ancient times, Somalis were more efficiently divided along professional lines as opposed to the present cumbersome system of lineage. The TUMAAL was the iron-monger, BAAJIMAAL was the potter and BIYOMAAL (literally the one who lives on or makes gain from water) was either a cultivator or a fisher. Presently, a sub-clan of the main Dir clan-family is called BIYOMAAL and live along the lower parts of the Shabelle river – though they practice both farming and pastoralism. To this day, however, the SO’MAAL, TUMAAL and BAAJIMAAL live true to their old professions. In line with similar words in the language, the difficult-to-pronounce Hamzah (’) in SO’MAAL was later dropped and replaced by the long vowel SOOMAAL.
The only other Somali word with the suffix MAAL was DUMAAL which meant ‘one who gained from death’. DUMAAL was the word commonly used for wife-inheritance. In Somali tradition, a man is expected to inherit the wife of his deceased brother. Similarly, in the event of death of one’s wife, her younger sister is usually given to him in marriage to take the place of her deceased elder sister. Therefore, in Somali, a sister-in-law was a DUMAASHI (which should have basically been DUMAAL-SHI).
And as for the word 'SOO' meaning 'meat' and soomaal meaning 'one who makes a living out of meat'. I ask the question what do the following terms mean:
SOO RAAC
SOO NOQO'
SOO DIL
SOO SHAQEE
SOO MAAN DILIN
SOO MAAN ARKIN etc
the writer of the article focussed too much on the links between somali words and words in other languages but has not looked at or has not giving enough attention the links and the relationship between different soomaali words and phrases, which I believe wouldh have shed more light into the subject.
As for the So, that is older Somali, its not the modern day we use, and maay maay, so is still used to say sac, So I think So meaning cow or meat, and Soo that you are using have different roots, and thus not the same. Like beer (liver) and beer (farm)
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