BV Come in.. poll is homosexuality

[abdalla11]

From what I know he wasn't contraversial for most of his fiqh stances, but he was controversial for his Anthropomorphic views of Allah, and refusing not to let them go.

Yeah Wallahi that's exactly almost word for word how I heard it b4
He was Muctissilah sheikh in the time Asharicame back into dominance miyaa

Seemeyer the great shaykh was against the muctazillah and the ashcari creed and he was several time jailed and died in jail AUN. His student were numerous and Ibn Katheer, the most famous mufassir was one of them. He described Allah what Allah described himself with in regards to His Names and Attributes, while the other two sects deny those Attributes or simply declare it as 'figurative speech'

[SultanOrder]

abdalla so wat is your creed??

[abdalla11]

sxb in regards to the Names and Attributes of Allah i describe Allah what and how He described Himself with, without denying nor do i compare his Attributes to His servants.

You lied about ibn Taymiyyah walal

[SultanOrder]

sxb in regards to the Names and Attributes of Allah i describe Allah what and how He described Himself with, without denying nor do i compare his Attributes to His servants.

You lied about ibn Taymiyyah walal

If I lied then I take it back.

Do you reject the aqida of Imam tahawi, ashari'i, and matruudi?

[abdalla11]

sxb in regards to the Names and Attributes of Allah i describe Allah what and how He described Himself with, without denying nor do i compare his Attributes to His servants.

You lied about ibn Taymiyyah walal

If I lied then I take it back.

Do you reject the aqida of Imam tahawi, ashari'i, and matruudi?

One thing about Imam abu hassan Al-ashcari, the one that the the Ashcari creed is named after (the fact that a creed is named after a man shows us that he started that creed and every innovation is wrong). Imam abu Hassan wrote a book named Al-Eban'a A'an Usool Al-Diyana (clarification regarding the fundamentals of the religion) and he said in the introduction of this book I say everything that Ahmad Bin Hanbal say. so he repented from his creed. His book is translated into the english.

As for the other two i have little knowledge about them excep that i knowt that the book of Imam Tahawi is taught by the scholars

[SultanOrder]

your confused bro, Because a madhab is named after Imam shafi'i, or Imam Hanbali, Imam ahmed, or Imam Hanafi doesn't mean that they started the sharia, so that is not a valid excuse. At the same time Imam Tahawi and Imam Matrudi both have creed's named after them but it doesn't mean they started, all they did was re-iterate and made clear the beliefs of the rightly guided muslims in relevance to the sectarian views of new sects that came with new stuff, so thus that is why it is named after them. None of the ones I mentioned are any different nor do they contradict eachother but are all valid creed's of Ahlul sunnah wa'l jama'a.

[abdalla11]

LOL what has a madhab got to do with caqeedah? do you think that there are only four madhabs?there are tons of madhahib
There are only two creeds named after a man: maturudi and ashcaris and the first one is based on the latter one and both of them is based on Muctazillah, i am far from confused sxb.

Is maturudi the same as ashcari creed according to you?

But what do you say the repentance of imam Abu Hassan al-ashcari?

[Navy9]

Ibn Tufayl's Hayy Ibn Yaqzan is a good read.

Though the Ash'ari and the Muʿtazilah employ human mind to reason, their approach is different.

[SultanOrder]

Abdalla I was just trying to make the point that just because something is named after these Imam's doesn't mean that it is an Innovation that they brought.

Look I don't want to be rude, and nor do I want to speak Islam in an aggressive manner. Imam Abu Hassan Ashari use to be a Mutazillah and was trained and was their most promising student, but he started to have difficulties in their aqida and a lot of things didn't make sense to him. Eventually, he renounced his beliefs in the Mutazilah sect and joined the Ahlul Sunnah whereupon his intimate understanding of their doctrines was the lead in refuting their beliefs. Imam Ashari did not bring a new aqida because the beliefs of ahlul sunnah have always been the same, but what he did was he was able to answer the questions posed by the mutazillahs and refute their own points, and he clarified points of doctrine that wasn't clarified to that point because the muslims of ahlul sunnah did not ask such questions.

Imam Matrudi who he himself independently of Imam Ashari'i was busy refuting other sects in the east, and he to clarified points in refutation to new divergent sects. These two creed's are basically the same tho they were independent of each other and one was in the east and the other in the west, this shows that the beliefs of ahlul sunnah are truly one and the same.

Imam Tahawi was their predecessor and he two formed a concise aqida particular to the time he lived in and in refutation of the misunderstandings and deviant creeds of his day.

As Ahlul Sunnah we do not deny any of the Aqida's and to be one you have to accept either the Matrudi or Ashari aqida's, or else you have strayed from the Jama'a of the muslimiin. And there is no debate within this for us, aqida is clear for us and we do not truly debate about this.

[Navy9]

As Ahlul Sunnah we do not deny any of the Aqida's and to be one you have to accept either the Matrudi or Ashari aqida's, or else you have strayed from the Jama'a of the muslimiin.

Brother, to be a muslim is to believe in what Allah has ordered us to do and follow the Sunnah of His prophet, not adhering to a certain school of thought does not make one of less of a muslim or being on the wrong path!

[SultanOrder]

Sister I meant to be of the Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jama'a you have to have one or the other aqida, this is not even up for debate nor is it a school of thought but the beliefs concerning Allah, yomal qiyama, qatar, ghayb, etc. You do not necessarily have to be able to articulate every single point but the basic beliefs once known should be of no doubt. There is no khilaaf in this, otherwise we do believe that you have strayed from the correct path.

[Navy9]

Walalo, I do understand what you are saying but do you understand what I am saying: to me if you believe in the 5 pillars of Islam, believe in the pillars of Eman and do follow the Quran and Sunnah simply is enough IF you adhere to a certain madhab or certain school of Islamic theology then that is by your choice and lack of it does not mean you are less of a believer.

Anyhow, good luck.

[Paddington Bear]

If I had the energy I would read all seven pages of this thread, just so I can find out how from a starting point of homosexuality being a state of mind, you guys ended up talking about Schools of Islamic Theology!

And why is BV linked to the whole thing? Does she sing for the deep voiced section of the choir?

[Navy9]

I do not know either, I have seen this thread but the title didnt encourage to read it but last night out of boredom I clicked it but went directly to the last page and then to the first page and I was like AGAAH

[abdalla11]

^LOL, topics like this always end up about the religion. Who was ibn Tufayl? Was he an Ashcari?

PO,

sxb there's no way that two different creeds are the same. Lakiin you still didn't answer by question about the repentance of Imam Abu Ashcari.

And why do you call Ibn taymiyyah an anthropomorphic if he confirms the how Allah describes Himself?