Incest

[Shirib]

Shirib, cant you find any raxanweyns in America? Don't tell me you have resorted to your cousin

I'm into Isaaq chics

[Nomand]

shirib

incest =

[Shirib]

Well homosexual couples have higher rate of HIV, AIDS, and other STD's

[Gatspy]

Shirib I honestly believe that it is just a matter of time for the incest, bestiality and pedophilia legalizations. The "gay rights" tactics and arguments used today on daily basis are the base foundation to legalize anything in the future. Soon they will get bored of sleeping with the same sex and will turn on their own sibling, parents and children.

[Basra-]

shirib aka voltage aka half aka udun aka whatever


Get over your homosexuality walaal.

[BlackVelvet]

So why is incest illegal in the west while homosexuality is allowed? Isn't the argument for the two pretty much the same? Isn't it hypocritical to make one illegal, while saying the other is ok?

Discuss

That's what I've always thought. Homosexuality is by 2 consenting adults, incest can be by 2 consenting adults, neither cause direct harm to anyone else, althought in the case of incest it could be argued that they are harming their future offspring but still not enough reason to allow one as moral and therefore legal behaviour and not the other. So I've come to the conclusion that the reason incest is still illegal is because society has not disintegrated to that level, there are no incestuous families campaigning for equal rights. That I think is the only reason, no one is challenging the status quo so society is sitting on the moral higher ground with this one. Only when homosexuality became wide spread and accepted did it become legal in the past few decades and the same would have to happen for incest to become legal. So I guess we should celebrate, we're not that sick and twisted...yet

[Enlightened~Sista]

Couple stand by forbidden love




Patrick and Susan did not know each other as children

Watch the Interview with couple here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6424937.stm



At their home in Leipzig, Patrick Stuebing and Susan Karolewski are in the kitchen, playing with a young toddler.

They share a small flat in an east German tower block on the outskirts of the city. It looks like an ordinary family scene, but Patrick is Susan's brother and they are lovers.

"Many people see it as a crime, but we've done nothing wrong," said Patrick, an unemployed locksmith.

"We are like normal lovers. We want to have a family. Our whole family broke apart when we were younger, and after that happened, Susan and I were brought closer together," he said.

Patrick, who is 30 years old, was adopted and, as a child, he lived in Potsdam.

He did not meet his mother and biological family until he was 23. He travelled to Leipzig with a friend in 2000, determined to make contact with his other relatives.

He met his sister Susan for the first time, and according to the couple, after their mother died, they fell in love.

"When I was younger, I didn't know that I had a brother. I met Patrick and I was so surprised," said Susan, who is 22.

She says she does not feel guilty about their relationship.

"I hope this law will be overturned," Susan said.

"I just want to live with my family, and be left alone by the authorities and by the courts," she went on, in a hardly audible voice.

Jail sentence

Patrick and Susan have been living together for the last six years, and they now have four children.

The authorities placed their first son, Eric, in the care of a foster family, and two other children were also placed in care.

"Our children are with foster parents. We talk to them as often as possible, but the authorities have taken away so much from us," said Susan.

"We only have our little daughter, Sofia, who is living with us," she said.

All but one of the couple's children have been taken into care

Incest is a criminal offence in Germany. Patrick Stuebing has already served
a two-year sentence for committing incest and there is another jail term looming
if paragraph 173 of the legal code is not overturned.

The couple's lawyer, Endrik Wilhelm, has lodged an appeal with Germany's highest judicial body, the federal Constitutional Court in Karlsruhe, in order to overturn the country's ban on incest.

"Under Germany's criminal code, which dates back to 1871, it is a crime for close relatives to have sex and it's punishable by up to three years in prison. This law is out of date and it breaches the couple's civil rights," Dr Wilhelm said.

"Why are disabled parents allowed to have children, or people with hereditary diseases or women over 40? No-one says that is a crime.

"This couple are not harming anyone. It is discrimination. And besides, we must not forget that every child is so valuable," said Dr Wilhelm.

The couple's case is controversial and it has prompted a heated debate in the media.

"We need this law against incest in Germany and in the whole of Europe," said Professor Juergen Kunze, a geneticist at Berlin's Charite Hospital.

"It is based on long traditions in Western societies, and the law is here for a good reason," said Prof Kunze.

"Medical research has shown that there is a higher risk of genetic abnormalities when close relatives have a child together. When siblings have children, there is a 50% chance that the child will be disabled," he said.

Patrick and Susan say they have no other choice but to fight the current law.

"I have read that some doctors claim that children born to siblings could be disabled, but what about disabled parents who have children, or older parents?" asked Patrick.

"Eric, our eldest child, has epilepsy, but he was born two months premature, he also has learning difficulties. Our other daughter, Sarah, has special needs," Patrick said.

Ruling soon

The couple claim they have received a lot of support from friends and neighbours.

"When we go out to the supermarket, people recognise us and many have told us that they support our legal challenge," said Patrick.

"We would like society to recognise us, as any other normal couple," he said.

In 2004, Patrick voluntarily underwent a vasectomy.

"It's legal for the couple to live together, and to share a bed. But they are breaking the law once they have sex. If there are no more children, then who will be able to prove that they are a couple?" asked their lawyer.

Dr Wilhelm said a ruling was expected in the next few months.

"We've already heard that the vice-president of the Constitutional Court said that there will be a 'fundamental discussion' about this issue in Germany," said Dr Wilhelm.

"Many criminal law experts say that we are right and I'm confident that my clients will win their case. The law against incest is based on very old moral principles. The law was abolished in France, it's about time it should be scrapped here in Germany as well."


Source BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6424937.stm

[union]

Incest is not natural or healthy, while homosexuality is a natural phenomena that probably serves an evolutionary purpose. Putting homosexuality on the same moral plane as incest is wrong and disgusting.

[Shirib]

Shirib I honestly believe that it is just a matter of time for the incest, bestiality and pedophilia legalizations. The "gay rights" tactics and arguments used today on daily basis are the base foundation to legalize anything in the future. Soon they will get bored of sleeping with the same sex and will turn on their own sibling, parents and children.

Gatsby, we're not far from it. The way things are going its only time before incest and bestiality become seen as normal.

[Shirib]

Incest is not natural or healthy, while homosexuality is a natural phenomena that probably serves an evolutionary purpose. Putting homosexuality on the same moral plane as incest is wrong and disgusting.

How did you come to the conclusion that one is natural while the other is not?

[SultanOrder]

Incest is not natural or healthy, while homosexuality is a natural phenomena that probably serves an evolutionary purpose. Putting homosexuality on the same moral plane as incest is wrong and disgusting.

Pray tell, how a staunch believer of "evolutionary mechanisms" can reconcile a belief based on morality?

[ToughGong]

Incest is not natural or healthy, while homosexuality is a natural phenomena that probably serves an evolutionary purpose. Putting homosexuality on the same moral plane as incest is wrong and disgusting.

Yeah right!

[HalfDzed]

Incest is not natural or healthy, while homosexuality is a natural phenomena that probably serves an evolutionary purpose. Putting homosexuality on the same moral plane as incest is wrong and disgusting.

LMAO!

And how does homosexuality fit in with the prime directive that defines evolution? You know, the innate desire shared universally by all living things to want to multiply and replicate, from single-cell protozoans to highly complex members of the animal kingdom. How on earth can homo (same) sexuality in anyway fit in with copulatory imperative of males? It defies all the theories that define gene replication and the copulatory functionality of living things in general, not just humans. What's the outcome of a homosexual relationship? Its often times zero off-spring, zero chance of having one's genes living on, it means death and ceasation for the living organism. Its an illogical and ludicrous farce and in no way fits in with the natural order.

You strike me as a highly apologetic individual who is so consumed by his desire to fit in, to sound politically correct that he ends up contradicting himself. Settle for complacency all you want, but don't attempt to insert evolutionary biology in to homosexuality, there is no correlation. First it was homosexuality is genetic, then when that claim was refuted & debunked, you come to us with an even more laughable claim that homosexuality is somehow a natural and evolutionary pattern. Do you even understand what constitutes evolution and the laws that govern it?

[Nucky]

France, Spain and Portugal already legalized incest as long as it does not involve minors. Incest does not have all that much appeal to people that are testing the limits of acceptable boundaries. Pedophilia will be the new thing that these people will be promoting soon as that is what they are really after. There are already groups that promote it in America and Europe.

[ToughGong]

You strike me as a highly apologetic individual who is so consumed by his desire to fit in, to sound politically correct that he ends up contradicting himself.

To put it simply,he's suffering from "THE ILLUSION OF INCLUSION"