Was the Somali kid in Oregon set up by FBI?

[Foxy22]

Also, how could he been monitored with his emails read, etc for such a long. What would someone do or say to be monitored that long? I swear to God I think all Somali youth are being monitored for no reason thanks to the Patriot Act.

No shit, they monitor our old grannies, you think they'll leave you and me alone? Why do you think I mix in masturbation posts and drunken tirades every now and then?

My key to staying free: Any time I'm reading about or watching AQ/Taliban/Shabaab videos or materials on the net, I always go to porn sites before hand or after hand for a good hour long period, like ridiculous snuff and pregnancy porn, just to confuse the idiots sitting behind a computer somewhere in Virginia.

well they will no longer be confused now

[James Dahl]

This reminds me of a fake terrorism story the right wing was blabbering about a while back
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.c ... airtra.php

A man who claims he witnessed a "dry run" by Muslim hijackers on a plane at Atlanta's airport last month told TPMmuckraker this morning he is standing by his story, despite several holes in the tale and the carrier's claim he was not even on the plane.

In an email account of his experience that went national on right-wing blogs last week, Tedd Petruna describes a group of 11 Muslim men "in full attire" who created a disturbance on a Nov. 17 AirTran flight on the runway at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson airport.

In Petruna's telling, the men fanned out through the plane, and one of the men called a companion in the back of the plane, "talking in Arabic very loudly and very aggressively." He ignored a flight attendant's request to put away his phone before takeoff.

Petruna, who works as a diver at a NASA lab in Houston, says two of the Muslim men began "to show footage of a porno they had taped the night before, and were very loud about it." It's unclear what he means by "taped the night before," and how Petruna would know what the men had been doing the previous night. But he describes porn viewing as an activity Muslims would be permitted to engage in only before Jihad. When a flight attendant objected to their use of an electronic device, she was told to "shut up infidel dog!"

[Foxy22]

This reminds me of a fake terrorism story the right wing was blabbering about a while back
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.c ... airtra.php

A man who claims he witnessed a "dry run" by Muslim hijackers on a plane at Atlanta's airport last month told TPMmuckraker this morning he is standing by his story, despite several holes in the tale and the carrier's claim he was not even on the plane.

In an email account of his experience that went national on right-wing blogs last week, Tedd Petruna describes a group of 11 Muslim men "in full attire" who created a disturbance on a Nov. 17 AirTran flight on the runway at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson airport.

In Petruna's telling, the men fanned out through the plane, and one of the men called a companion in the back of the plane, "talking in Arabic very loudly and very aggressively." He ignored a flight attendant's request to put away his phone before takeoff.

Petruna, who works as a diver at a NASA lab in Houston, says two of the Muslim men began "to show footage of a porno they had taped the night before, and were very loud about it." It's unclear what he means by "taped the night before," and how Petruna would know what the men had been doing the previous night. But he describes porn viewing as an activity Muslims would be permitted to engage in only before Jihad. When a flight attendant objected to their use of an electronic device, she was told to "shut up infidel dog!"

WTF? Since when?

[James Dahl]

This was reported on right wing blog sites AS NEWS.

It was later revealed that this guy wasn't even on the flight, and had made the whole thing up.

[Spursman]

Saxib also they groomed him from age 15 deeh

[Advo]

ut he describes porn viewing as an activity Muslims would be permitted to engage in only before Jihad

[James Dahl]

The FBI should have arrested him when he sent them bomb parts, but then they would have only arrested him for conspiracy to commit murder.

The FBI wanted a big "win" against "terrorism" though, so they kept him going with his plan until basically he executed it, and thus committed (or at least tried to commit) a much larger crime.

In that sense he was used. He is guilty of the desire to kill innocent people, and he is guilty of going through with a plan to do so, so he is by no means innocent, but he was used in order for the FBI to put a feather in their cap, when they could have arrested him months ago.

[*Nobleman*]

Yes, he has a good shot at defense. That was clearly entrapment to the definition.

He actually reminds me of GrandpaKhalif saying something nonchalantly as he does and being entrapped.

Why do you think grandpakhalif changed his tune. He went from shababs biggest fan to there number 1 enemy overnight. Nigga felt that fbi trap coming up and reformed overnight

[Foxy22]

Yes, he has a good shot at defense. That was clearly entrapment to the definition.

He actually reminds me of GrandpaKhalif saying something nonchalantly as he does and being entrapped.

Why do you think grandpakhalif changed his tune. He went from shababs biggest fan to there number 1 enemy overnight. Nigga felt that fbi trap coming up and reformed overnight

honest to god I went away for like a week and when I got back I saw kii oo alshabaab caynaayo and I thought to myself 'ohh god I'm hallucinating.. I'm overworked!'

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

The loser saw too much alqeada and shabab videos so he was a terrorist by heart but a failed one. Osama must and abu zubayr must be dissapointed at his failure to become a prof irhaabi.

[Voltage]

James, read this NY Times responses:

pierce.moffett
portland, or
November 27th, 2010
4:04 pm

So the FBI protected us from a plot that was entirely manufactured by FBI. Thanks a lot guys, what would we do without you?

since1982
NYC, USA
November 27th, 2010
4:04 pm

This looks like an illegal form of entrapment. Having a desire to commit terrorist acts is not considered a probable cause. Especially for someone with his background. With a good lawyer he should be released within a year.

Carolyn Egeli
Valley Lee, Md.
November 27th, 2010
4:51 pm

I wonder how far this young man would have really gone without the "aid" of the FBI. Rather than encouraging him and almost setting him up or entrapping him, wouldn't it have been better to find a way to change his mind? Instead, a young life is ruined. At nineteen, he was ripe for propaganda, desiring to prove his manhood. How many young people do we send to Afghanistan and Iraq with the collateral damage of maiming their civilians in our aggression? Do they not feel that our children are their equalivant of terrorists? Yet at that age, attaching oneself to a cause larger than ones self is a standard recruiting devise for our military. How mindless is war? whether it is in Oregon, Afghanistan or Korea! Why can't our American children have something else to do besides going to war to support huge international corporate interests that are not necessarily for our own country's benefit. It is ever thus, in the history of wars. Peace is much harder work, and much more rewarding, but not for the cynical ones that make their livings on war. The story about this young man in his delusion, which is not so unusual for any boy that age, is sad. Raised on video games and popular culture most likely, he was probably looking for something to do with himself that mattered. It is time for all of us to be grown ups, and take care of our children rather than breed to feed a military industrial machine. Shame on us!

pierce.moffett
portland, or
November 27th, 2010
4:51 pm

@Karen and others - your family would not have been injured. There was no bomb. The FBI spent months "cultivating" this guy and encouraging him to bomb something, gave him bomb training, money, and even a fake bomb to "detonate." This is an etirely fabricated incident in which no one was ever actually in any danger. Yet another bogus government exercise designed to scare everyone into doing what they're told.

Kris
Washington
November 27th, 2010
5:48 pm

So, the FBI has now manufactured more cases of domestic terrorism than terrorists? this is standard operations: go to the poorest, most muslim areas of urban America and spend thousands of taxpayer dollars on informants who get people to hang out with them because they give them cars, food, ect... to "collect" information about jihadists. Do you know how much money informants are paid to convince people to become terrorists? upwards of 250,000 thousand dollars a year. come on, NYTIMES, this is pathetic. and, i'm sorry to those of you portlanders, there would be NO THREAT and no bombing if the FBI hadn't given this guy a bomb...the FBI is better at creating terrorist plots than catching terrorists that might actually pose a threat...who are not going to be pursuaded by men known to communities to be a paid government informants...shame on the Times.

Grace
NORTH of MASON DIXIE LINE, USA
November 27th, 2010
5:48 pm

The FBI "trained him to detonate the bomb"? hmmmmm sounds like entrapement to me. Perhaps I am missing something here, seems the young man only expressed a desire to kill several hundred people. I hate to say this but you will find sentiments of this kind in every community. Really you can. And if I have to convinced you as a reader, perhaps you are living in a gated commmunity.

The article could best serve the readers if the author would include the elements of the crime which this person is charged. I respectfully and strongly suggest the NYTimes implement this enhancement in articles discussing crimanal acts.

Patrick
Long Island NY
November 27th, 2010
5:48 pm
Thank you for your truly objective reporting. This is just another scam by the FBI encompassing many decades. It was obviously timed for maximum exposure on a major holiday. Just like the devil encourages temptation, so did they.
Additionally, the Feds are demonstrating the governments affinity to further terrorism which lends support to the "9-11 inside job" theorists. Now it is harder for them to say it wasnt.
There seems to be a decade long encouragment of terrorism by the military and their feds, almost to justify their never ending wars. The only real mandate for peace by our war weary citizens was the election of Obama. Now he has turned his back on his people and retreated into the talons of the military political hawks. Was he psychologically kidnapped or manipulated? The reality is what the people want, not the insulated staff of the government.
This case was the obvious manipulation of a young and angry, immature young man. Just like the military molds the minds of young students.
Scam after scam. Propoganda after propoganda. He is guilty of being entraped, but not a crime, which did not occur. The true conspirators are the FBI. Perhaps they have too many agents and not enough crimes.
History will expose them.
This was clearly propoganda.

Paul Adams
Stony Brook
November 27th, 2010
5:48 pm

The guy's a TEENAGER! Teenagers of all religions and races do stupid things, especially now the internet makes things easy and temptation ubiquitous, but luckily few of them are aided and abetted by the FBI. Teenagers don't even have fully developed brains; neither it seems do FBI agents, and I fear the whole nation has an underdeveloped heart.

Bill Delamain
San Francisco
November 27th, 2010
6:32 pm

OK - that teen had serious psychological issues BUT I think they framed a kid who was intellectually weak. Instead of arresting people who do not represent a real threat (that teen was a potential threat, not a real one), they should arrest people who are REAL terrorists. It is too easy to take a disturbed teen and influence him into some weird behavior and then arrest him and tell everybody you're a hero, that you're doing your job well and so on. You're wasting our tax money fabricating criminals from mentally disturbed people and then claiming you anti-terrorist programs work.

I am surprised at the number of responses in most articles where people see an emotionally disturbed and gullible kid was prodded towards a path he may or may not have taken.

[abdisamad3]

The kid got trapped by the damn feds..thats for sure..same thing happened to a couple of muslim guys here where I live..some agent came to their local mosque claiming he converted to islam and then he had a plan to bomb some place but the guys refused to do it.. but after sometime he managed to convince them.. bought all the things they need to manufacture a bomb they even done a test detonation..all this time it was the agent who was the one manufacturing buying all the bomb parts and had all the maps and the plans the muslim guys just happened to be with him and they didnt even know how to make bomb or anything..so one night police came to their homes and arrested them..another time there was a turkish guy some agents came to him and asked him to spy for them in the mosque at the friday qudba.
and in return they promised him to get hise fiance to the country from turkey and give her passport and everything and he could even smuggle heroin hash or what he wants to the country and they will turn blind eye to it.just he need to spy for them in the mosque..this was smart he recorded the whole conversation on his mobile and refused to be a spy one day later he was arrested for terrorism ..

[ahmed yey]

Why are they wasting there money ,for sure there is nothing called alqaeda or terrorism .and for your information 911 was an inside job.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

Why did this come right after the public outcry over TSA new rules about security procedure where they touch your penis and vagina? Nothing works better than fear in suppressing public grievances.

Funnily enough I read about that in my regional paper (evening standard - London) and the author of the article was expressing a different view to yours saying that the majority of the nation agrees with these new procedures as long as they keep them safe from future bombers. However he did also mention some fat dude who recently told the security staff to "not touch his junk"

I guess you guys have it bad with all the touching and screening, so what is the reality of the general public's opinon on this? (well in your state anyways)

[fisabililah]

assalamu aleykum,

May allah make it easy for his family, Ameen.