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The tolerance of Somalia prior.

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:05 pm
by Voltage
Have we lost the old religious and political tolerance of the Somali people? How did Churches exist in a almost 100% Muslim nation except for the tolerance of the Somali people?

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Re: The tolerance of Somalia prior.

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:14 pm
by Bamaarn
That church was built during the colonial times, therefore, this notion that Somalis were tolerant enough to let the fascists build it has no merit.

Re: The tolerance of Somalia prior.

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:15 pm
by Voltage
That church was built during the colonial times, therefore, this notion that Somalis were tolerant enough to let the fascists build it has no merit.
Doesn't matter when it was built but it continued to be in service and Somalia had a Bishop who functioned fully until 1989.

Re: The tolerance of Somalia prior.

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:17 pm
by The_Patriot
That church was built during the colonial times, therefore, this notion that Somalis were tolerant enough to let the fascists build it has no merit.
Doesn't matter when it was built but it continued to be in service and Somalia had a Bishop who functioned fully until 1989.
But the converts were not more than a dozen.

Was it the bishop that was killed in Xamar that led to the execution of 12 sheikhs?

Re: The tolerance of Somalia prior.

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:18 pm
by grandpakhalif
It's unislamic to be intolerant(to a certain degree) and I think pre civil war Somalia was the best representation of tolerance in modern muslim history

Re: The tolerance of Somalia prior.

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:25 pm
by Leila25
It is not about the number of converts, the church looked after children that were abandoned because they were born out of wedlock or for some other reason. It had a charitable function. As for tolerance of the people, Somalis were more tolerant before because they understood the church was not a threat to them. But that is no longer the view of the majority of people.

Re: The tolerance of Somalia prior.

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:26 pm
by 2ndtoNone
It's unislamic to be intolerant(to a certain degree) and I think pre civil war Somalia was the best representation of tolerance in modern muslim history
WRONG!

I think pre- coup d'état (BEFORE 69) Somalia was the best representation of tolerance in modern muslim history :mrgreen:

Re: The tolerance of Somalia prior.

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:27 pm
by Bamaarn
Doesn't matter when it was built but it continued to be in service and Somalia had a Bishop who functioned fully until 1989.
Building the church was illegal, because Somalis weren't consulted, nor did the fascists ask permission. So, it matters.

Re: The tolerance of Somalia prior.

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:27 pm
by Hyperactive
because somalis were secure enough than after civil war.

Re: The tolerance of Somalia prior.

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:29 pm
by The_Patriot
the same thing happened in Harar guys studied all the way to high school and were funded by the christian orthodox church.
Some went to addis ababa university while others studied in universities in Xamar.

The difference is these folks were the most anti religious folks their caqida was fucked up and alot of these guys had high posts in MSB government.

Re: The tolerance of Somalia prior.

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:29 pm
by Voltage
It's unislamic to be intolerant(to a certain degree) and I think pre civil war Somalia was the best representation of tolerance in modern muslim history
WRONG!

I think pre- coup d'état (BEFORE 69) Somalia was the best representation of tolerance in modern muslim history
Really? Pre-1969 where everything was based on tribe and affinities? Instead of even going as far as Christians where was tolerance for Madhibaan, Somali Bantu, and other foreigners? Children should stay in the play pen. Post-1969 Somalia where the vice president of the nation and defense minister was of the lowest caste and where women could get their inheritance individually rather than through clan or people could worship in their places of worship was the most tolerant of any period of Somalia.

Re: The tolerance of Somalia prior.

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:31 pm
by Voltage
But that is no longer the view of the majority of people.
Because the Somali people have exponentially grown less educated, more ignorant, brutalized by fear and assumptions of faith which can be considered fringe, no?

Re: The tolerance of Somalia prior.

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:34 pm
by The_Patriot
But that is no longer the view of the majority of people.
Because the Somali people have exponentially grown less educated, more ignorant, brutalized by fear and assumptions of faith which can be considered fringe, no?
And also not to forget the christian missionaries have become super active in trying to convert somalis affected by the civil war and are destitute and in need.

I would be honest I do prefer a Xabashi christian to a somali christian that was converted after the 1990's cos these guys are self haters and would nuke us if they had opportunity.

Re: The tolerance of Somalia prior.

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:34 pm
by Coeus
Somali churches destroyed

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Picture of inside the church before it was destroyed

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Re: The tolerance of Somalia prior.

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:34 pm
by Voltage
Building the church was illegal, because Somalis weren't consulted, nor did the fascists ask permission. So, it matters.
Building Churches by colonists might have been illegal but what about the responsibility of a Muslim Somali state post-independence to it's Christian minority? You do realize a Muslim state has obligations to its minorities from People of the Book (Christians and Jews) background? Do you accept this as fact? For example that even if the state has Sharia Law, the Law is applicable only to Muslims and non-Muslims are exempt or that People of the Book have the right to worship separately from the Muslim populace? You seem more of an activist and ignorant one at that and less as a knowledgeable individual and I think that is what is wrong with Muslims today.