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"Under international law, it is illegal, as Lord Goldsmith said, to attack a sovereign country for the purpose of toppling the government. It is illegal to even plan to do so. These crimes are known as conspiring to wage aggressive war and waging aggressive war. They were the two main offences for which Nazi leaders were tried at Nuremberg." Dan Gardner CanWest 'British Memo a Smoking Gun'

A Vietnam-War-Style Anti-War Movement Needed to Awaken Americans

http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=1&p=12157&s2=30

Bush Opts for Civil War in Iraq

"The Bush administration has proven beyond all doubt that it is duplicitous and has delusions that are immune to reality. America's reputation is being destroyed. We are becoming the premier war criminal nation of the 21st century. We are all complicit. How much more evil will we tolerate?"

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=6128

Crimes, lies and the "I" word

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editor ... he_i_word/

Is this a fascination with violence, aggression, killing, and hero worship that has clouded the American rational thinking? What kind of a society is it, when such LIES have become acceptable and the norm? Is it simply easier to accept LIES than to delve for the truth, and try to correct things? Little wonder , there is so little respect for America and the American society that tolerates this kind of conduct.

Does it seem to you dhuuso that "America" has traded its ethics, values, credibility, and self respect for money, power and aggression, and don't care how they get it.

The only thing I worry or pay an attention about Iraq affairs is killing innocent people. Look guys, Iraq have become the land of blood. Constitution will never do anything to stop with this disaster. As I believe right now, they need a peace not a constitution.


Moreover, as The-Screw said, Somalis has the priority to talk about rather than Iraq and other world. We must do something better for our own people and country. Being up to date with current affairs is not bad too.

A little off to the left Mowhawk but good post overall{ the initial one} .
DD as usual , it's like I'm hearing one of those newly enlightened experts on the Fox channel.{ on global affairs I mean , I think they went to school though }
DD-->Democracy is also not contingent on justice. They'll no PEACE without justice.....
Yes there can be peace without justice . Case in point: North Korea , China, Cuba......
Democracy DEPENDS on justice or it is not a democracy anymore
DD--->Iraq is better place today then it was before the invasion. All the misery and suffering is caused by the insurgents (who killed 40 something innocent civilians today). If there was no insurgents, which take drain the US's resources and time, iraq would be on its way to normalcy.

How do you know that , based on whose testimony can you make that assertion? On the 82nd airborne memos
Gimme a gadam break , man , the situation is far worse than it was , and blaming the little or close to ZERO progress on the insurgency would be like trying to milk a zebra and complaining about getting kicked .

Mowhawk,

"What has changed? The U.S is meaner, more arrogant and doesn't listen and abide to the international norms and laws established. It is embeded in their psychic and their collective belief towards Manifest Destiny."

Why should the US respect international law?

"What are you defending here, make yourself clear."

Only the truth.

"The Iraqi invassion, or the new constitution?"

I didn't support the Iraq war. I thought it was unjustified and ultimately counter productive.

I can't comment on the new Iraqi constitution becuz I haven't read it or read analysis of it. For the same reason, I can't see how you conclude it is a 'sham' when you haven't read it yourself.

Ina Baxar,

"DD as usual , it's like I'm hearing one of those newly enlightened experts on the Fox channel."

I don't watch Fox channel. I think they're disgrace to TV news and insult to the intelligence of the average TV viewer. They make no attempt whatsoever to even look like they're even handed.

"Yes there can be peace without justice . Case in point: North Korea , China, Cuba"

There is no peace in North korea. North Korea, S. Korea and the US are still officially at war. There is only a truce.

In the case of China and cuba, these governments have poor human rights record. That is all. By that standard the US and every other nations would be in the same boat as well. Its only a matter of degree.

By injustice I'm refering to marganalisation and discrimination against native inhabitants. Good examples would be the Kurds of Iraq, palastinians, chechens, tamil tigers...In each of these cases great injustices were done against these ppl, with perps still around. You can not have peace without first serving justice.

"Democracy DEPENDS on justice or it is not a democracy anymore"

Yes, for full democracy you need justice. You also have to define what is meant by democracy. Is it one man, one vote with fair and free elections enough to call that process a democratic one? Or does it have to be the politica trias (executive, legislative, and representative branches) of most western governments. There are many forms of democracies. Some work while being guilty of injustices.

"How do you know that , based on whose testimony can you make that assertion? On the 82nd airborne memos"

No, from different sources and good knowledge of the status of pre-war iraq.

"Gimme a gadam break , man , the situation is far worse than it was , and blaming the little or close to ZERO progress on the insurgency would be like trying to milk a zebra and complaining about getting kicked"

There is more food in iraq today then there was before the invasion. There is more medicine then before the invasion. Same with power.

Isn't it true that it is the insurgents that are blowing up everything? How do you rebuild a country if it is a war zone? Who's fault is it that it is a warzone?

One thing I grant you that Iraq is worse of now then before the invasion is security. Everything else it is better off.

Good recovery DD. Anyways , it ain't the insurgents fault , the failure lies with those who planned this invasion and believed Iraqis would just roll over and welcome them. Security is the foundation of everything , so in that optic the situation is worse than it's ever been, with people getting kidnapped left and right ..........