Shirib: mowlid reply

[Shirib]

PO,

The thing is Mowliid is turned into a festival. It is a celebration and a holiday of the Prophets birth. This was created, and infact its an exact copy cat of Christmas like they celebrate Jesus birthday. In Islam we have two Eids, mowliid is innovating another eid. It is not from the time of Prophet came many years later and that is the problem with it. It is a innovation and deviance. You can't make new holidays or celebrations.

[SultanOrder]

Shirib you have no authority in Islam to determine if it is Haraam or Halaal. I just wanted you to understand a different point of view, I don't even care if you agree with it or not. Like I said if your arguments held any weight, which are very simple and can be conjured by just about anyone, then the Ulema would not have had ikhtilaaf on this issue, and for the fact that there is ikhtilaaf and it has survived means that there is legitimacy with in it. Study the shariah, and what the great ulema who have talked about this in great deal have said, before you come with your own arguments.



p.s. read before comments.

[SultanOrder]

What's your understanding of bidca walaal?

Read my reply to samadoon waaxid and it will explain it very clearly.

[melo]

What's your understanding of bidca walaal?

Read my reply to samadoon waaxid and it will explain it very clearly.

I read it. I think you need to differentiate what Bidcah means in its general sense, and what it means in a religious sense. In its general sense, it means an innovation. In Islam however, it refers to innovation with respect to diin. There is a clear difference between the two. Cars, planes etc have nothing to do with the actual religious practices themselves. They are not invented forms of worship.

It is the view of Ahlusunnah wal jamacah that bidcah refers to practices that are not legislated by the Quran or Sunnah. This sunnah entails both our nabi's sunnah, as well as sahaba's sunnah. The mawlid was neither practiced by our nabi, or the sahabah, or any of the righteous salaf. As such, i think you can strike it off as a bidcah.

The question is, do you believe in bidcah hasanah? I don't, and the argument that proponents usually borth for this belief are weak (the statement of Umar for eg).

[SultanOrder]

You read the wrong reply, the one where I quoted a long article.

[melo]

You read the wrong reply, the one where I quoted a long article.

When i can be bothered inshallah, i will counterpoint that article with a different explanation on what bidcah means. Masud UK is a sufi asharite site, and so this is only one side of the argument. Inshallah, we can judge the two arguments side by side to see which one is stronger.