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Gamadid

You disappoint me. You are slipping on downward trend where your faith is not only the right one but your version of it is the right one too and all others are by definition wrong. This absolutism is of course not only ludicrous but a clear indicator of the faithful's intolerance, close-mindedness and megalomania. Who are you to judge what is correct and accepted by the supposed gods and prophets?

At more fundamental level you are simply factually incorrect. Not all muslims follow the prophet or accept Sunnah and hadeeth as a source of faith or jursiprudence. The Shias completely reject both Hadeeth and Sunnah and follow so-called ahlul Beit. I am surprised you were not aware of this. secondly, even Sunni Muslims are NOT required to adhere to the prophets Sunnah hence the very term itself as opposed to Fard. Moreover to suggest that all muslims follow everything the prophet did and imitate his behaviour is not only impractical but patently ludicrous. Would you marry a nine year old child? Would your ride a horse to Space? would you meet flying angels in caves? would you buy slaves?

Do you see how silly your argument is?

I have noted with interest that you did not bother to address the valid point about the glaring difference of Somalia's Isalm version as practsied for 1,500 years and the Newly introduced version.

Galol what i described was probably what is in the minds of most muslims,
childish it may seem to you, but there is something called muslim brotherhood.
This is a concept that is difficult to understand from your part becuase you are not a muslim, but it something latent in all muslims.
This is why in religous matters you are an outsider an alian and your opinion does not count or register, as a fellow clansmans your opinions on the clans wellbieng and future and politics count, but not in religous issues.

The standardisation of muslim tradition these days is a natural phenomena due to the abundance of religous material in the media like the internet. This is whats creating conformity not some sinister wahabi world domination scheme.
This is why the Indonesian muslim who believe in the local spirits and a somali are closer these days.

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It saddens me to see intelligent brothers wasting their time with people whose hearts Allah (swt) sealed. They are not to engage in debates or to understand anything. Because of their arrogance, they reject Islam. It's not because it doesn't make sense to them. Dhuuso & Galol (i'm sure they are the same person) pretend to be ignorant only to try and trap you into some fallacy they have learned from a logic or philosophy course. Just leave these attention hungry morons babble. No wants listens to them.

gurey25,

"but there is something called muslim brotherhood."

What muslim brotherhood? There never was one.

Muslims couldn't wait till the prophet died to kill the half of the 'rightly guided' ones. Right after the prophet's death, arab muslims revolted and had to be brutally crushed by abu bakr. During the crusades, muslims routinely aided the crusaders against their fellow muslims. Muslims lost sicily becuz the amir of sicily invited kufur normans to defeat his fellow muslim rivals. Muslims invaded and destroyed moorish spain in 900s becuz they disagreed with kind of Islam the moors practiced.

In all throughout Islamic history, muslims have been bickering and fighting among themselves. Not even the existantial threat posed by kufars persuaded muslims to unite.

Besides, are you emplying muslim brotherhood somehow will embetter muslims? If so, how?

The West surpassed the muslim world while they were divided. Whether it was religious wars or imperial competition, the West was not united while it overtook the Islamic world.

So history can demonstrate you don't need unity to achieve supramcy. What for, then, for muslim brotherhood? What good will it bring to the muslims?

Its another illusion that muslims have been brainwashed to believe. All your problems are becuz of disunity. While there is no evidence that unity brings prominance or it is even possible since there was never a muslim unity. Magical thinking does wonders!

[quote="LionHeart-112"]It saddens me to see intelligent brothers wasting their time with people whose hearts Allah (swt) sealed. They are not to engage in debates or to understand anything. Because of their arrogance, they reject Islam. It's not because it doesn't make sense to them. Dhuuso & Galol (i'm sure they are the same person) pretend to be ignorant only to try and trap you into some fallacy they have learned from a logic or philosophy course. Just leave these attention hungry morons babble. No wants listens to them.[/quote]

Oh you rightly guided one, the fortune one, the one who seen the light
enlighten us blind and of sealed hearts!

We are not asking you to change our closed minds, just show us the light of truth you are fortunate to see. If you can see the truth of Allah and the quran, why not show it us. Just present us your view, leave the believing and nonbelieving to us.

DD i heard you are lookin for someone to tap you in the ass what habben to your arab adopted father?

Dhuuso---I can't show you something you don't want to see. If you sincerely want to see the light, then Allah (swt) will grant it but the problem is that people like you and Galol don't want to believe yet you want to ask questions day and night without trying to understand.

Sincerely ask Allah to guide you and you wil see the light! But it has to come from the heart.

Gamadid
I have a quick question for you. Do you believe in temporary marriage as the Shi'ites do?

[quote="dhuusa_deer"]gurey25,

"but there is something called muslim brotherhood."

What muslim brotherhood? There never was one.

Muslims couldn't wait till the prophet died to kill the half of the 'rightly guided' ones. Right after the prophet's death, arab muslims revolted and had to be brutally crushed by abu bakr. During the crusades, muslims routinely aided the crusaders against their fellow muslims. Muslims lost sicily becuz the amir of sicily invited kufur normans to defeat his fellow muslim rivals. Muslims invaded and destroyed moorish spain in 900s becuz they disagreed with kind of Islam the moors practiced.

In all throughout Islamic history, muslims have been bickering and fighting among themselves. Not even the existantial threat posed by kufars persuaded muslims to unite.

Besides, are you emplying muslim brotherhood somehow will embetter muslims? If so, how?

The West surpassed the muslim world while they were divided. Whether it was religious wars or imperial competition, the West was not united while it overtook the Islamic world.

So history can demonstrate you don't need unity to achieve supramcy. What for, then, for muslim brotherhood? What good will it bring to the muslims?

Its another illusion that muslims have been brainwashed to believe. All your problems are becuz of disunity. While there is no evidence that unity brings prominance or it is even possible since there was never a muslim unity. Magical thinking does wonders![/quote]

Muslim brotherhood as i said earlier is a mystery for you because you are not a muslim, the bonds are there, its not something magical.
So what if muslims slaughter each other, you are right muslims have only been united for a brief period of time, unity is not = to brotherhood.

For example closeley related somali clans from the same forefather routinely kill each other, big deal, it doesnt mean that they are not family.

Yes unity is not the panacea of all the ailements of the muslim ummah,
but it can be a start.The problem is that unity is not possible without freedom and democratic rule within muslim countries.
Muslims have to understand that the people have to be free to make choices, they have to be in charge of thier own destiney, and that while they are ruled by Kings, Shiekhs, Amirs, Sultans, Presidents for life
they will always be handicapped and downtrodden.

Dhusa, I missed you abaayo

Quote Dhuuso...


"Who decides that? You? There is no orthodoxy in Islam, there is no central mosque in Islam and there is no central figure. So who is in a position of authority to state what versions of Islam is true islam and which are not? The answer is no one. "

Dhuuso this is a very easy Question that--an ignorant student of Islam like 'I' can answer!~!


The Answer???? QURAN!!!! The guide, the direction & book of authority!

Hang Abdullahi Yusuf high.

I will provide the rope & the tree.

dhuusa_deer,

"Muslim brotherhood as i said earlier is a mystery for you because you are not a muslim, the bonds are there, its not something magical.
So what if muslims slaughter each other, you are right muslims have only been united for a brief period of time, unity is not = to brotherhood."

If muslim brotherhood is not some something we can detect in the state of muslims, then what the hell is it? Does it even matter? If muslim brotherhood isn't evident among muslims, then it doesn't exist.

Basra,

"Dhuuso this is a very easy Question that--an ignorant student of Islam like 'I' can answer!~!

The Answer???? QURAN!!!! The guide, the direction & book of authority!"

Then why hasn't your fellow muslims followed the quran?

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Hannah,

What are your thoughts on this topic?

Your sister, DD, is fine