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I never thought I would say this but I wish Siad Barre was still ruling somalia. Not much to like about the man except he held the country together AND KEPT WAHABISM IGNORANCE OUT. This is nostalgia talking for I was too young to remember much of Barre's regime but uncomfortable signs I see emerging in somali society.

Never has there been another time as now in which a somali can feel so little pride in his countrymen and nation. Not only for the embarrassing inability to put petty differences aside and end the pointless civil war but seeing our culture and tradition being replaced with alien, violent, backward and evil one. A one incompatible with our ancient tradition, culture and way of life.

No one is disputing somalis are deeply islamic ppl. But they believed their Islam, as it was introduced to them 1000 years ago. Not wahabism of Saudi Arabia, the beheader's kingdom. Somali islam was perfectly in harmony with somali culture and tradition. Somalis were equally devout of their religion as they were of their culture, customs, tradition and way of life. Somali way of life never caused a somali his faith and vice versa. No one was considered any less a somali becuz he/she didn't pray or fast or pay zakat. But that time is no more becuz a vile and backward form of islam and mentality is seeping through our social fabric.

No one knows what the full effect of wahabi Islam is or will be like. But from what little signs we witness among somali muslims, we should expect nothing good from this strain of Islam. The signs are ominous.

As a case in point of what negativism wahabism can bring to somalis, take the story of Ayan hirsi. Lets for arguendo purposes agree she crossed all lines and insulted islam. Where in somali culture/tradition is considered honourable to kill a woman? Somalis, both men and women, have been calling for her death. But is this part of somalino? I hope to hear from older somalis about this.

And to the somali men calling for the death of somali woman, you are a cowards. No other way of describing you. Any man willing to lay a hand on a woman deserves to be called a coward. She is not threatening your lifes.

To the wahabi somalis, you have sold out your ppl. You have turned your back to your version of Islam, the one that was practiced by your ancestors, accepted a foriegn version. A form of Islam that is not universal nor obligatory nor ordained by Allah. You have accepted wahabism, invented by abu wahab, and you are now calling for the death of your fellow countrymen in the name of another man's religion. That is treason. YOU ALL ARE TRAITORS AND BACKSTABBERS. You should be ashamed of yourselves. What a disgrace you all are.

dhiladii ku dhashay wasee ooyinta iska dhaaaf.

[quote="biiqaaye"]dhiladii ku dhashay wasee ooyinta iska dhaaaf.[/quote]

coward!

Dhuuso, for your info, there are no versions of islam but only one. That is what makes islam strong as a faith, the unity of its source and the complete negation of anything that contradicts what is in that source. If it wasn't that feature which I found very appealing in islam among other things of unmathced monotheism, I would find no difference between islam and christianity. Islam is a protected religion and the only valid religious practice is what people find in the Quran and in the Prophet's sunnah, beyond that, it is bogus and waste of time. There are no versions but only one version, there are no many ways but only way. Anyone interested in that way or version should go directly to the sources.

Apparently you need to get a dictionary and read the definition of the word traitor. WAIT, DON'T. You might find your face in there. Fu.cking idiot. You are the number one traitor on this site.

dhuuso=traitor

Traitor to the gazillionth power. He is walahi one of the most hypocritical peoples i have ever come across online. Either that or just retarded.

I agree
There aint a bigger traitor than those who leave islam

[quote="Gamadid."]Dhuuso, for your info, there are no versions of islam but only one. That is what makes islam strong as a faith, the unity of its source and the complete negation of anything that contradicts what is in that source. If it wasn't that feature which I found very appealing in islam among other things of unmathced monotheism, I would find no difference between islam and christianity. Islam is a protected religion and the only valid religious practice is what people find in the Quran and in the Prophet's sunnah, beyond that, it is bogus and waste of time. There are no versions but only one version, there are no many ways but only way. Anyone interested in that way or version should go directly to the sources.[/quote]

There are no versions?

What is the rift between the Shias and Sunnis about? Why is there 12 different islamic sects today? Why is it no two countries practice the sharia law exactly the same way? Each Islamic country has its own laws and customs different from other islamic nations. Why is that?

There is only one version of islam is a myth, like all the other islamic myths. It has no basis in reality. Did you bother to think before you uttered those false words?

Dhuuso, There are actually more than 12 islamic sects or/and had been or will be(some of them who didn't appear yet will appear possiply), Islam will generate more sects than christianity and Judaism each in their separate way generated. Just because there are sects, it doesn't mean islam in itself is a devided religion that accepts devisions. Islam is one, will remain one, but some muslims introduced into their daily rituals and will introduce into their practices and beliefs what wasn't taught by the prophet and never had been practiced by his companions. Whatever someone presents as islam, it has to be found in the Quran and in the Sunnah. If people were allowed to form their own versions of islamic religion, such directive would have been given and people would have been told to worship god as they see fit under islam.

Now, who doesn't consider before he replies Mr.Dhuuso? You picked on me because you thought I was an easy victim for you this morning? Well saxib, like I said before, it is waste of time explaining things to people like you. I would rather kid around and waste my time on useless things than reply to an ignorant person who thinks he understands something when he doesn't. Be sincere and you shall find someone who will be willing to lend you a hand in discovering what you have lost.

PS: Don't make your reply lengthy as usual writing maalaa yacni fara badan. A two liner slam dunk from you will be fine to send me back crawling to bed I am waiting macallinka ee la soo bood warkaada.

PSS: Refer to Viking's replies in shia discussions. It can be useful.

Gama,

You gave me carte blanche to pick on you when you made the absurd statement that there is a single version of islam. Who decides that? You? There is no orthodoxy in Islam, there is no central mosque in Islam and there is no central figure. So who is in a position of authority to state what versions of Islam is true islam and which are not? The answer is no one.

Any muslim as long as he sticks to the central tenets of Islam can call himself a muslim. Even when he is in the minority. I have provided you hard evidence such as how differentially Sharia Law is practiced in muslim nations. You on the other hand made a statement without backing it up. And you accuse me of ignorance. PKB?

Don't be coward or phony, defend what you asserted or simply say you didn't know what you were talking about.

gamadid

"no Islam versions"

Why would an intelligent man like you come up with such patent nonsense? Islam has hundreds if not thousands of versions and varieties and ways of practise. It is not only about Sunni, Shia, Alawi, Ismail, hanafi, hambali, shafi's, druze, Ahmadi, twelve and more - its is about how each society and nation incorporated it and internalised Isalmn to fit in with its cultural norms pre-existing after this ideology reached them.

Bengalis still celebrate shobi Bra a Hindu festival which they think all muslims celebrate and are shocked to hear that they don't. Distlling of Arak never stopped in Baghdad, halb and Damascus for the 1,500 years Isalm was practised there. The European Slavs islamised by Turks continued to produce twelve versions of ham despite being muslims. Alawis worship virginity of a chosen teenager each year as they did in the hills before Isalm reached them. Kurds welcome the onset of spring with nowruz with celebrations bigger than any imported Eid. Druzes did not change their pagan belief that heaven lies above China. Omanis and other Gulfies continued to eat lizards and crustaeceans while other Muslims are disgusted by the sight of them and consider them makrooh.

And we Somalis are no different. We kept whole swathes of our pre-Islamic cultural norms in order to preserve our national identity. marrying deceased brother's wife, FGM, tribalism, freedom for our women, liberal penal code all kept Isalm as second rank in the pyramid of Somali's loyalties. Unlike Arabs we are not so much terrrised by the sight of odd bit of naked female flesh.

Other Bits of Isalm we accepted wholeheartedkly because it neatly fitted in with our cultural norms and nuances. Murdering and pillaging your neighbours and then settling the dispute with camels was right up our cultural street so we liked it very much. But even here nunaces abound. Unlike the Arabs or Baluchs we did not take their men as a slaves nor did we took their women as concubines. War was mere business conducted with some dignity and magnanimity.

Our Isalm in other words was a strictly Somali version of Islam where our maidens braided their hair and dazzled the boys was swell of breasts deliberately protruding out of saddex qeyd or guntino. thye danced the night away with the local boys and was sold for few camels but never abandoned by her clan. We did not chop the hands of camel thieves nor did we stone to death for romacing the widow next door. In fact our xeer did noyt have any mutilation or capital punishment at all. Your grandmother and mine did not walk the streets covered in a black death shroud of arabia they worked the streets bosoms heaving with clan pride and haugty self-confidence. thye knew who they were: Somaliclan first and Muslim a distant 27.

This is not ancient history this was here and now and existed for 1,500 years. And themn once our nation state collapsed the vultures cultural and otherwise came to feast on our national carcass on our priode on our very identity. We are a race humiliated, dismembered and denuded out of its very core of existence, its values and norms its cultural fingerprint.

Your lazy or sinsiter assertion that we were always part of Orwellian uniformed, homogenised Isalm reminds me of a Egyptian sai'idi saying " lama wa'aca al gaml katharat as sakakin" which roughly means when teh great camel has fallen the little daggers came out in force. I count your claim as one of those little daggers.

Im no fan of Wahabis , but the average somali or muslim
when he sees an Athiest like Dhuuse and yourself, critisizing a group of muslims, while praising another, they will tend to think the ones you are critizising are on to a good thing.

If the athiests dont like wahabis , hand chopping, takbeer screeming ninjas and beardos, then they will conclude that wahabis are GOOD.

i for one will stand by my fellow muslim however misguided before you.

Gurey

I must say, with regret, that your logic here is that of a child watching a match for the first time with older cousins. You are subsuming your views and opinions to those of others pegging them to their ideas and thought provcesses rather than developing independent vision.

This is the hallmark of the esaily led intellectual minion and you are not one.

Forget the warring factions and watch the prize they are fighting about

Okey, Galol and Dhuuso, you guys will never accept reasonable points made by others ee maxaa u daalineysaan dadka? There is islam with uncorrupted source, Quran and Sunnah, And there are muslims corruptable, the two are quite different. the sects you mention exist and will exist, however, for muslims and nonmuslims, they don't and shouldn't take islam from the practice of individuals without checking it first with the source. How more clearer can I make that point? No matter how many sects exist, a muslim is required to follow the prophet ALONE. If what people are doing are in line with what he did, then they are correct, if not, then they are wrong. There is no window for Calawiyah sect or/version and the likes or some other innovatd sects/versions then is there? Say, if a muslim is praying to a dead man though the muslim accepts that Only God deserves to be worshipped, and prayer is an act of worship as indicated by the Quran, is that muslim right or wrong? Definitely the Quran teaches that person is wrong. The same example applies to every act of worship muslims do. For example, how do we pray? like the prophet prayed, how do we learn how he prayed, checking into his Sunnah and so on.

Marka, if that doesn't help you guys understand what people are saying, tough luck.