South Somalia, the last piece to the puzzle.

[ibrahimcw]

South Somalia, the last piece to the puzzle. we claim that Somalia is a wartone country when in reality it is only now South Somalia that is on the path of destruction, the rest of Somalia enjoys relative peace and are developing because they did what we failed to do.

we failed since the begining of the Transitional process and we are failing today, and this is because we have not recognized our identity as Southern Somalis, our binding interest and our glorious past. we southerners have not been able to unite as southerners and face our problems as southerners, even as the North East (PL) and the North West (SL) of Somalia has done so. what is worse is we continue to allow these two self governing regions to meddle with our affairs whiles they retain peace, security and a future of development for their people.

ask yourself this..
are there any southerner leading North West or North East Somalia ? no, so why do we allow them to take part in the governing of the South, whether it be the TFG or Alshabab we southerners are failing to see SLanders and PLanders as outsiders of our region and so unwisely allow them to take lead roles in our future.

since ~Farmaajo has come to office there has been a sense of relief, finally a southerner who knows what the people need and who sympathize with them as it is his own people, also southern leaders can be held accountable whereas people such as Abdullahi Yusuf from North East and the likes can create a havoc in the South and then without a second thought retire in Puntland. its a Joke! and the same can be said to Alshabab leaders, although Alshabab is a southern movement it is influenced just like the TFG by non-southerners, take for instance Godane who is originally from Somaliland.

South Somalia should unite as one entity, the same way North west Somalia "Somaliland" has united as one entity and like North East "Puntland".

[garoweboy]

Man aren't you from Central Somalia

[Coeus]

[garoweboy]

[Nomand]

south somalia needs 10 nuclear warheads

[The_Emperior5]

Ibrahimcw Somaliland does not meddle with your affairs. Godane is one man he does not represent Somaliland in any way or form nor does ibrahim afgani or Maxammad abubkar seylici these guys are as foreign to Somalia as amriki and the arabs and the pakistanis are in Somalia.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Is Farmaajo the Mahdi of reer Gedo liberating them from Baidoaawi warlords?

[Cirwaaq]

1000% support this view

Seperatist and somaliweyn alike so long as Koonfurians are not united for their benefit they will be exploited!

Which ever way you look at it wether we are considering somaliweyn or Koonfur independence the single most critical variable to all of us is the benefit to koonfur from any political position within or outside somaliweyn.

If Koonfurians are not united for their own benefit:

- We remain in a fire while others speed ahead in time of peace
- Both seperatist and unionist will exploit our lack of koonfurian unity to always give us the Vassal status.
- Koonfur has all the resources of the former republic and non of them can actually let go of wanting influence over our wealth.
- Peace is relative... some reagions only look peacefull for so long as they can say >>> look at moqadishu
- Some people can only claim to be civilised so long as they are bale to say>>> look at those Koonfurians savages

Without Koonfur unity you can forget peace there are states of existence worse off then war... slavery by people that are no different then you who somehow used your lack of unity to dominate you politically, economically or spiritually...

Sland and Pland have success purely based on self preservation of their core groups... and advancement of the crore goups agendas.


Wakeup koonfurians before you are made the guest in your own land... regardsless of if you support union or seperation.

Koonfur

[Samatr]

South Somalia, the last piece to the puzzle. we claim that Somalia is a wartone country when in reality it is only now South Somalia that is on the path of destruction, the rest of Somalia enjoys relative peace and are developing because they did what we failed to do.

we failed since the begining of the Transitional process and we are failing today, and this is because we have not recognized our identity as Southern Somalis, our binding interest and our glorious past. we southerners have not been able to unite as southerners and face our problems as southerners, even as the North East (PL) and the North West (SL) of Somalia has done so. what is worse is we continue to allow these two self governing regions to meddle with our affairs whiles they retain peace, security and a future of development for their people.

ask yourself this..
are there any southerner leading North West or North East Somalia ? no, so why do we allow them to take part in the governing of the South, whether it be the TFG or Alshabab we southerners are failing to see SLanders and PLanders as outsiders of our region and so unwisely allow them to take lead roles in our future.

since ~Farmaajo has come to office there has been a sense of relief, finally a southerner who knows what the people need and who sympathize with them as it is his own people, also southern leaders can be held accountable whereas people such as Abdullahi Yusuf from North East and the likes can create a havoc in the South and then without a second thought retire in Puntland. its a Joke! and the same can be said to Alshabab leaders, although Alshabab is a southern movement it is influenced just like the TFG by non-southerners, take for instance Godane who is originally from Somaliland.

South Somalia should unite as one entity, the same way North west Somalia "Somaliland" has united as one entity and like North East "Puntland".

Negro please, every president and almost every prime minister of Somalia since 1960 has come from the south and now you want to blame northern Somalis for not having a functioning government the last two decades.
What south Somalia needs are leaders with a clean past, nobody trusts nobody and nobody is addressing that issue.

[ibrahimcw]

garoweboy, there is no such thing as central, historically it has always been South, North West and North East, even the shape of country has three poits, South, Northwest and North east like a number 7.

coes, like you i continue to support the unity of our nation but until that is reached the issues of the South should be solved by the south somali people. having said that, do you think its fair for the Somalis in the South to be locked in a situation where Ina Godane of Alshabab wages war against the TFG whiles Mohamed Abdulahi Omaar asks for more foreign forces to invade our region ?

hutuking, your tribal mindset blinds you from the reality of our situation, we are binded by interest and you cant deny that.

[garoweboy]

Ninyahow your confused how can you want a united Somalia but your telling the rest of Somali's not to take part of there Government whether its in the north or the south.

[Cirwaaq]

garoweboy, there is no such thing as central, historically it has always been South, North West and North East, even the shape of country has three poits, South, Northwest and North east like a number 7.

coes, like you i continue to support the unity of our nation but until that is reached the issues of the South should be solved by the south somali people. having said that, do you think its fair for the Somalis in the South to be locked in a situation where Ina Godane of Alshabab wages war against the TFG whiles Mohamed Abdulahi Omaar asks for more foreign forces to invade our region ?

hutuking, your tribal mindset blinds you from the reality of our situation, we are binded by interest and you cant deny that.

Farmaarjo is the first sign of people who want to work for the pure benefit of Koonfur and make a difference. Ina Godane is only tolerated due to the finincial support the group gets from foreign agents.

Remove Ina Godane then TFG and Shabab would begin negotiations the same day.

[2ndtoNone]

For sometime now I’ve been observing Somali politics particularly that of Somaliland and Puntland.
What struck me most apart from the rise of Al shabaab in the Somali peninsula is how oblivious Koonfurians are about the ambitions and objectives of their brethren in the north namely S/land and P/land. That is why I dare to advise Koonfurian nationalists, who in my humble opinion do tend always to say a ’spade is a spade’ hence overlooking the political reality that they face .
I will not go into details as not to bored you stiff about the Somali history and clan politics but I will use an analogy to illustrate the message I intend to convey through this thread I.e. what a koonfurian Must know about somaliland and puntland.
These two entities one being an overt separatists seeking unconditional independece and makes every effort to gain recognition. Where as the other a camouflaged unitarist enjoying completely autonomy within federal Somalia. Both operate and administer their regions in similar fashion i.e. with clan interests at its core.
In order to demonstrate the fact that S/land and P/land positions in regards to Somalia/Somalinimo are one and the same and for you to understand what I mean, here is the story.
''I once met two Russians in a subway in the city where I do live. Each of them has got a bottle of drink. One was drinking vodka in its original vodka bottle; the other one using the water bottle . Both of them were drinking from their own bottle, respectively. I just observed them and could see that the one using the water bottle is more drunk than the other one using vodka bottle. I was surprised and asked them: how can this be?
How can it be that the one using water bottle was drunk? Then they laughed at me and told me that both were drinking vodka, but the name of the bottles each of them were using differs.''
This is the difference between the in your face somalilanders and the cunning puntlanders. Both drinking the unholly waters but with differing lables
The difference is Only the labeling my friends.

Can koonfurians realise that Somaliland politicians use only vodka bottle and always say a ’spade is a spade’ (talk about Somaliland objectives and rights directly and indirect promoting clan interests), whereas the politicians of Puntland use water bottle (use the name ‘Somalia’ to promote the interests of their respective Clans indirectly).

They do play the same game of “CLAN-ism” (promote Mj/Harti and Isaaq dominance, respectively). In conclusion what koonfurians must know is that the two entities in the north are not dissimilar in terms of their ambition and political objectives. The sooner this is realised the quicker it will be to change the situation in southern Somalia.

[ibrahimcw]

Ninyahow your confused how can you want a united Somalia but your telling the rest of Somali's not to take part of there Government whether its in the north or the south.

TFG is your government ? then why is it not permited to travel to your region of Puntland.

by the way i didnt say you are not allowed to partake but that since the Government is addressing the pressing issue of Southern instability it would be unwise to put the future of Southern people in the hands of Planders.


Cirwaaq i agree Farmaajo is the first Southerner in the TFG who actually represents our needs, and its good that he is educated man above tribal violence.

[Cirwaaq]

For sometime now I’ve been observing Somali politics particularly that of Somaliland and Puntland.
What struck me most apart from the rise of Al shabaab in the Somali peninsula is how oblivious Koonfurians are about the ambitions and objectives of their brethren in the north namely S/land and P/land. That is why I dare to advise Koonfurian nationalists, who in my humble opinion do tend always to say a ’spade is a spade’ hence overlooking the political reality that they face .
I will not go into details as not to bored you stiff about the Somali history and clan politics but I will use an analogy to illustrate the message I intend to convey through this thread I.e. what a koonfurian Must know about somaliland and puntland.
These two entities one being an overt separatists seeking unconditional independece and makes every effort to gain recognition. Where as the other a camouflaged unitarist enjoying completely autonomy within federal Somalia. Both operate and administer their regions in similar fashion i.e. with clan interests at its core.
In order to demonstrate the fact that S/land and P/land positions in regards to Somalia/Somalinimo are one and the same and for you to understand what I mean, here is the story.
''I once met two Russians in a subway in the city where I do live. Each of them has got a bottle of drink. One was drinking vodka in its original vodka bottle; the other one using the water bottle . Both of them were drinking from their own bottle, respectively. I just observed them and could see that the one using the water bottle is more drunk than the other one using vodka bottle. I was surprised and asked them: how can this be?
How can it be that the one using water bottle was drunk? Then they laughed at me and told me that both were drinking vodka, but the name of the bottles each of them were using differs.''
This is the difference between the in your face somalilanders and the cunning puntlanders. Both drinking the unholly waters but with differing lables
The difference is Only the labeling my friends.

Can koonfurians realise that Somaliland politicians use only vodka bottle and always say a ’spade is a spade’ (talk about Somaliland objectives and rights directly and indirect promoting clan interests), whereas the politicians of Puntland use water bottle (use the name ‘Somalia’ to promote the interests of their respective Clans indirectly).

They do play the same game of “CLAN-ism” (promote Mj/Harti and Isaaq dominance, respectively). In conclusion what koonfurians must know is that the two entities in the north are not dissimilar in terms of their ambition and political objectives. The sooner this is realised the quicker it will be to change the situation in southern Somalia.

The Gentle Giant that is Koonfur is waking up slowly