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A question to Seccecionists

Postby Coeus » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:50 am

Actual demarcation of the trijunction point of the British/French Somaliland and Ethiopia was delineated by the 1936 British Somaliland-Eithopia Boundary Commission.
The boundary between british Somaliland and Italian Somaliland was defined in the Anglo-Italian Protocol of May 1894.
Shortly after the 1894 agreement, it was settled that although the village of Bandar Zaida (on the coast) fell to the west of the 49th meridian, it will remain in the (Italian) Somalia and so on near the coast the boundary moves to the west of the meridian for a few miles.
My question is, why do seccecionst honor a border agreement that they never were part of?
They recognise borders that the Anglo-Italians themselves dont recognise no more?

it's interesting that they are bringing up agreements from a century ago that Europeans had decided for us, yet we are going to ignore the fact that we all decided to unify soon after we gained our independence from them in 1960. Agreements that the SSC, areas in Sanaag and even Borama (where people pull out Somalia’s flag) proving that many demand that they continue to honor the 1960 agreement which was solely done by Somalis. :up: :som:

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Re: A question to Seccecionists

Postby tightrope » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:26 am

THEY'RE TOO SCARED TO ANSWER :lol:

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Re: A question to Seccecionists

Postby Ismail_Boss » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:26 am

brother stop the stupid chat leve sanaag alone and if
u really want sool and cayn go and fight habar jeclo
these stupid faqashs always say somaliland army man
a bunch of habar jeclo took ur land and habar yonis own sanaag so do
something bruv

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Re: A question to Seccecionists

Postby Coeus » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:29 am

brother stop the stupid chat leve sanaag alone and if
u really want sool and cayn go and fight habar jeclo
these stupid faqashs always say somaliland army man
a bunch of habar jeclo took ur land and habar yonis own sanaag so do
something bruv
Shutup. Iam habarjeclo :lost:

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Re: A question to Seccecionists

Postby MujahidAishah » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:57 am

Thats why i call you a sheegto.. you always bang on about gadabursi wants to join the TFG so why do they not have ministers in the fake Govt... the only reason they waved the :som: was that they were angry with the riyalle administration for not acting when thier men were butchered on the hargeisa to borama road...

Don't lump my reer abti in with :som: weyn supports they are fully :sland: supporters ... they collected a lot of money for kulimiye to go in to the elections with .. so i can fully say reer boorama are behind silaanyo and saylici

the only people againt somaliland is not even all the dhuls is only half of em... ive seen loads of dhuls that are behind :sland:

Stop all this reunite with somalia bullshit ..the somaliweyn dream died in 77..

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Re: A question to Seccecionists

Postby juzme123 » Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:27 pm

Actual demarcation of the trijunction point of the British/French Somaliland and Ethiopia was delineated by the 1936 British Somaliland-Eithopia Boundary Commission.
The boundary between british Somaliland and Italian Somaliland was defined in the Anglo-Italian Protocol of May 1894.
Shortly after the 1894 agreement, it was settled that although the village of Bandar Zaida (on the coast) fell to the west of the 49th meridian, it will remain in the (Italian) Somalia and so on near the coast the boundary moves to the west of the meridian for a few miles.
My question is, why do seccecionst honor a border agreement that they never were part of?
They recognise borders that the Anglo-Italians themselves dont recognise no more?

it's interesting that they are bringing up agreements from a century ago that Europeans had decided for us, yet we are going to ignore the fact that we all decided to unify soon after we gained our independence from them in 1960. Agreements that the SSC, areas in Sanaag and even Borama (where people pull out Somalia’s flag) proving that many demand that they continue to honor the 1960 agreement which was solely done by Somalis. :up: :som:
Human thought and decisions are inherently subjective, rather than objective.

This thread of yours is based on two main things (1) the notion of colonials imposing their decisions on a local population and (2) the Somali union of 1960; a locally lead initiative.

To answer your question of
why do seccecionst honor a border agreement that they never were part of?
Your question is either intentionally disingenuous or fundamentally flawed; I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say the latter ;) It is not really a question of honouring the Colonial agreements. Has it ever occured to you that local people are able to consider what is before them to make dicisions as per their interests, regardless of what thecolonials policies were. If then, they decide to keep some elements of previous administrations then so be it.

Because the emperialist powers have changed the border they recognise does not mean that the local people must also; that would be defeating the objective of independence nooh? First colonials Somalis and now suddenly they want a united Somalia :? Has it also occurred to you that a generation inherits their country in a particular state from the previous generation and that a country has a history, boundaries, culture and people.

I know that you had rather seen Somaliland based on clan-lines but unfortunate for you the people of Somaliland believe that they can take the country that they have inherited and live and co-exist together in peace and prosperity regardless of their clan. Since it seem that you look at Somaliland through a particular (Clan, locals v.s. colonials) lens and that agreements are important to you, why do you ignore that clans in all regions of Somaliland (including awdal, sool and sanaag) (LOCALS) were party to the Shir beleeds through which Somaliland was created; will you honour/respect this SOMALI & LOCAL agreement?

As for the Somali union of 1960, do you believe that an agreement is correct just becuase it was decided by the [infallible] Somalis :lol: :lol: ? If this 'Somali' agreement is validated because of the Somali actors who part-took in it, then surely that same logic validated the Somaliland shir beeleds?
Us humans could spend a life-time arguing about why another human took the decision that he did.

For those who argue against Somaliland, i'd say that the priorities must be (1) bringing peace to the south (2) create a stable and successful southern government with a domestic support base and (3) a legal, politcal, social and economic framework in which there can be succesive such governments. Why should Somaliland abolish it's successful, stable and democratic (succesive) government(s) for another government that might not even last, most likely won't be democratic or effective. I's say Somalilanders are stuck between a rock and a hard place but in the end they have safeguard their own futures and safety. Furthermore, it is not for Somaliland to it will always be in the hands of the south whether they bring peace to their land or not; their destiny is for them to shape as Somaliland has. Lastly, Somaliland, well it is peaceful, stable, inclusive (i.e. of the clans that live there), democratic and is a safe haven for hundreds of thousands of refugees from south Somalia. Somaliland has been peaceful for twenty years and, unlike Puntland, has not contributed towards the war in the south and indeed wants only peace and prosperity for them.

The people in SSC waxan kula talin lahaa, qabiil waa wixi ay Somalia ku burburtay ee nabada iyo horumarka Somaliland dhinaciina ka soo wadaaga!

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Re: A question to Seccecionists

Postby Khalid Ali » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:21 pm

After the 1960 agreement there was the. 1991 agreement. all of africa honour the colonial borders the african union charter is all about not to change the colonial borders koonfurians respect the border they have with kenya nfd so i dont understand


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