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And who gave out the authority to declare Muslims "infidels?"

This post-Wahabbism Al Qaeda mentality is becoming a joke, hopefully it'll wear itself out.

somethings are clear

I can't say I believe that Jesus is the son of God and claim to be Muslim, and I can't say that Mirza Ghulam is a Nabi and claim to be Muslim

Those things are kuffr, and one who believes in it is not Muslim, regardless of how many times he claims to say it

I don't know much about this group to say they are Muslims or not. However one thing that is for sure is any firqa that is not the firqa of the Prophet SAW and the Sahaba will be destroyed.

These people are charlatans. I had a few Ahmadiya colleagues and they were very pleasant people. However, when they tried to convince me that Nabi Ciise (SCW) died in Kashmir, I had to walk out of there

Their missionary zeal and social programs are another tool of recruiting adherents. Do I see them as a clear and present danger ? NO. I worry more about the ikhwan agenda than a sambusa eating Ahmediya who believes in an Indian Holy man.

These people are charlatans. I had a few Ahmadiya colleagues and they were very pleasant people. However, when they tried to convince me that Nabi Ciise (SCW) died in Kashmir, I had to walk out of there

Their missionary zeal and social programs are another tool of recruiting adherents. Do I see them as a clear and present danger ? NO. I worry more about the ikhwan agenda than a sambusa eating Ahmediya who believes in an Indian Holy man.

These people are charlatans. I had a few Ahmadiya colleagues and they were very pleasant people. However, when they tried to convince me that Nabi Ciise (SCW) died in Kashmir, I had to walk out of there

Their missionary zeal and social programs are another tool of recruiting adherents. Do I see them as a clear and present danger ? NO. I worry more about the ikhwan agenda than a sambusa eating Ahmediya who believes in an Indian Holy man.

I HEARD THEY ALSO BELIEVE THAT ADAM AND EVE LANDED IN SRI LANKA

I don't think any other Islamic sect can get a foot hold in somalia. The minute they mention that there was a prophet after Rasulullah saws, the somalis will chase them out of the masjid

With people like hutuking being among the Somalis I am hesistant to agree with you.

Dropking,

Do not speak of Sheik HutuKing01, Xafidullah. He is a wise scholar.

Assalamo Alaikum

Sincere apologies for replying so late - with Ramadhan just gone I wanted to focus my everything on my Beloved Lord. Alhamdulillah by the Grace of God it so transpired that I also managed to get the whole month off work too (fully paid). All Praise belongs to God!

I'm referring to the Ahmadiyya that originated in India. They're good people. Aside from curry, they're the only other good thing that came out of India.

Well they can be good people or what not, but they're not Muslim

Axmadi sufi tariqa= Tariqa founded by axmad ibn idriis
Ahmadis being talked about in this forum= Qadiyaanis, who believe in a Mirza Ghulma as a nabi after rasuulka.

The former are Muslims, whilst the latter are kaafirs.

I don't know if you read my full response but I did request (I think!) to not call others non-Muslims. It's fine if you don't disagree but you've not got any right to call others non-Muslims. It's not so much I care that I'm being called non-Muslims; my affair is with my Creator-Sustainer; it's more that I fear people on this forum might be incurring His displeasure ... we shouldn't make flippant remarks on such a serious issue is my point.

Aside from curry, they're the only other good thing that came out of India.

Lol, charming (!) - thanks

These people are charlatans. I had a few Ahmadiya colleagues and they were very pleasant people. However, when they tried to convince me that Nabi Ciise (SCW) died in Kashmir, I had to walk out of there

Can I ask - what was your reason for walking out? Or was it just because it seemed unlikely to what you think is right and what you would like to believe ? Have you researched anything on this to see just how strong the arguments for this are? Try the book 'Jesus In India' and tombofjesus.com. Doesn't your logic find it repulsive to believe in a man physically coming down from 'heaven' (wherever that is) and billions of people (including those who are asleep on the other side of the globe) smelling his breath and dying whilst others instantly believe in him completely?

Their missionary zeal and social programs are another tool of recruiting adherents. Do I see them as a clear and present danger ? NO. I worry more about the ikhwan agenda than a sambusa eating Ahmediya who believes in an Indian Holy man.

Hmmm... yes.... just like the Quraish mocked and tossed aside an orphan ... carry on, your mocking will only last as long as God gives you respite.

Eh... they believe that Mirza Ghulam is a prophet of God. Um... Allah say nabi maxamed is the last of the prophets.

Melo, I'm sure you already do but I'd ask you to reflect upon the verse in the Qur'an about Khataman Nabiyeen (33:40). Specifically, how is it a credit to someone to be the 'last' - timewise - in a line of people? Chronologically, it's not at all a big deal for someone to be the 'last' - they just happened to be born later than all other people in that category. For someone to be the most honoured, unsurpassed is surely a far bigger compliment. With this being the primary meaning of 'Khatam' we take, Ahmadi Muslims believe our master Hadhrat Muhammad Mustapha (Saw) to be Khataman-Nabiyeen indeed. A million thanks to my Lord who gave me understanding and who has made this so obvious to me. I'd urge everyone else to reflect too. Btw it's not just me...

'From the study and contemplation of the Darud we have arrived at the definite conclusion that there shall, from among the Muslims, certainly be persons whose status, in the matter of prophethood, shall advance to the level of prophets, if Allah pleases. But they shall not be given any book of law'
[Mohyiud Din Ibn Arabi, Fatuhati Makiyya, Vol I. p. 545]

Again, Ibn Arabi states:
'Prophethood among mankind shall continue till the end of days though Law-bearing prophethood has ceased. Law-bearing prophethood is merely a kind of prophet'

And this is exactly what Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the founder of the Ahmadiyya sect has claimed to be - i.e. a law-bearing prophet.

Strive hard in the path of virtue in a manner so that you may be blessed with prophethood and you still be a follower
Hazrat Maulana Jalalud Din Rumi, Mathvani Maulana Rumi, Chapter 1, p.53

There are many more scholars and sufis of past that've testified to this - have a look herehttp://www.alislam.org/library/books/Kh ... 0611MN.pdf to see for yourself :

Remember, the promise of Allah is always true and His true communities always overcome their enemies. But it is those who pray to guidance, recognize the truth and follow it early on when everything looks dire for that community who have the most reward - not those who join when finally Allah's decrees comes and that divine community prospers above all. Just look at the 'Muslim' States today - are they not in complete turmoil - where do they look like they're going... So pray sincerely for guidance, look at the signs, look at His claims, investigate those allegations yourself rather than repeat the same baseless rhetoric ('kaffar', 'charlatan', etc...) like a parrot.

May Allah Almighty guide us all. Ameen.

Can you guys stop confusing the AHMADIS with the Ahmadiyyah Sufi Order! Learn the difference, before you go on and spread misinformation.

What is the Ahmadiyya Sufi Order? Do you have a link to their site? I'd like to increase my knowledge about them...

nchaud,

Are you familiar with Musaylama "the Liar"? And Tulayha al Azdi. The false Prophets of arabia. The fact is they were rejected because it was clearly conveyed to them that there is no Prophethood after Muhammad saw. Musaylama got support from his tribe banu haneef because banu haneef wanted a prophet like Quraysh. Banu Assad supported Tulayha because they believed they should have a prophet like Quraysh. So there's nothing new or special about a man from the Indian subcontinent claiming prophethood and gaining followers. The only difference was your holy mans claims to prophethood were convenient for British colonial interests in the region, the superpower at the time. The distorted tafseer you gave is just one example of how your leader fought to preserve British colonialism in exchange for their support. Even Mahatma Ghandi is more respectable than the man you call a prophet.

For the sake of Allah, ncahd, Ahmadiiya's fake Prophet Qadiani died in a toilet. Please exit this forum as according to the Majority of the world's Scholars Ahmadis are non-Muslim for the simple fact they believe there is another Nabi after the last Nabi Muhammed saws. End of story.

In 1972, the Pakistani parliament declared the Ahmadiya aka Qidwanis as apostates and kicked them out of the country.

They are not Muslims, and just like the Agha Khan group--the Ismailia, they are working with the enemy of Islam, and all of their programs are funded by the enemies of Islam.

In Somalia, Indians who are claiming to be Muslims and speak Somali language have been reported.

If the Qadiani scriptures contradict the words of Allah (quran) then they (qadiani scriptures) are false, no methods of interpretation and excuses could correct it.

your title is misleading and provocative. regardless what you think about these people, calling them enemies is morally wrong. if you think they are doing such a good job in promoting their believe/faith, why don't you do the same thing and stop complaining and painting such a horrible picture about them.