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Postby BlackVelvet » Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:43 pm

^^ Ceeb badanaa

I came across this article
Muslims could face a child abuse scandal on a par with the Catholic Church, a report has warned.

A group of Muslim leaders says the community is in denial about child abuse in religious schools, known as madrasas. The UK has about 700.

They want ministers to regulate the schools, saying 100,000 children do not have appropriate legal protection.

The government said recent changes on the vetting of those teaching children automatically included madrasas.

Most of the madrasas in the UK are attached to local mosques or Islamic institutions.

Ghayasuddin Siddiqui, co-author of the report and head of lobby group the Muslim Parliament of Great Britain, said that child abuse existed in all societies - and that it would be naïve of Muslim communities to think it did not affect them.

Failing to protect the children in madrasas because of 'cultural sensitivities' is nonsense - it is racist to differentiate between children and to fail to offer that protection

Ann Cryer MP


Madrasas could follow Catholic lead

He said despite anecdotal reports of abuse, it was a taboo subject with little discussion within the community.

This, he said, meant victims had no-one to turn to.

"Sweeping the issue of child abuse in madrasas under the carpet is not a solution," said Dr Siddiqui.

"If nothing is done now we may face an avalanche of child sex-abuse scandals, decades afterwards, similar to those that rocked the Roman Catholic Church.

"To protect the integrity of these valued institutions, it is important that all madrasas put in place transparent and accountable polices and procedures."

Traditional schools

Madrasas are similar to Christian Sunday schools. Children of school age attend to learn the Koran and ethics of the faith.

While many madrasas are small community organisations associated with local mosques, the largest educate hundreds of pupils.


Dr Siddiqui: "Communities in denial"

The schools play a central role in many Muslim communities - but Dr Siddiqui said very few had policies in place that meet the requirements of the Children Act 1989, a key law.

The report praised two councils which had taken steps on child protection in madrasas - Kirklees and Blackburn - but accused most of being reluctant to engage with the Muslim community.

Ann Cryer, MP for Keighley, said she commended the authors for speaking out and attacked local authorities for not acting.

"I have had reports of physical abuse in madrasas in my own constituency," said Mrs Cryer.

"Failing to protect the children in madrasas because of 'cultural sensitivities' is nonsense.

"Are we saying that British Asian children are not entitled to the protection of the law? It is racist to differentiate between children and to fail to offer that protection."

'Vetting and barring'

A spokesman for the Department for Education and Skills, which has responsibility for child safety, said that recent changes to improve child safety automatically included madrasas - and that the schools had to act within the same law as others.

"Under the new vetting and barring system, there will be requirements on employers to check all those who frequently teach, care for or supervise children - including all those in madrasas," said the spokesman.

"Employers should carry out criminal record checks on anyone working closely with children, including in madrasas. Any allegations of abuse should be immediately reported to the police."

Children's charity the NSPCC said it welcomed the report and called for robust research into incidents of child abuse within Muslim communities.

"We are concerned that madrasas are not required to follow the same child protection procedures as schools and other statutory bodies," said Diana Sutton of the charity.

"The government must require them and other faith groups to put safeguarding policies in place and ensure that these are rigorously enforced."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4831184.stm

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Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings -

Postby *Nobleman* » Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:58 pm

To hell with em all. Biggest insult was calling that muppet an iman. I honestly cant take this serious. The difference between Islam and other abrahamic faiths is that Islam does not water anything down or make changes to cater for public opinion.

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Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings -

Postby union » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:36 pm

Being a homosexual does not abdicate one of his/her Islamic faith.

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Postby Scarletmoon1 » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:39 pm

Did that article just suggested muslims to follow the catholic way?

BBC is on crack :down:

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Postby ibrahimcw » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:46 pm

Well technically speaking I haven't come across an ayat in the Quran that says that 2 women or 2 men for that matter may not marry. Granted, you could argue that it goes against the "grand plan" of life, Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve argument nevertheless it was never, to my very limited knowledge, explicitly forbidden in the Quran.
admitting your ignorance and then argueing is just stupid is it not ? :lol:
وَمِنْ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ خَلَقْنَا زَوْجَيْنِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَذَكَّرُونَ

"And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction."

(Qur'an 51:49)

أَتَأْتُونَ الذُّكْرَانَ مِنَ الْعَالَمِينَ وَتَذَرُونَ مَا خَلَقَ لَكُمْ رَبُّكُمْ مِنْ أَزْوَاجِكُمْ ۚ بَلْ أَنْتُمْ قَوْمٌ عَادُونَ

"Of all the creatures in the world will ye approach males". "And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay ye are a people transgressing (all limits)!"

(Qur'an 26:165-166)

وَلُوطا ً إِذْ قَالَ لِقَوْمِهِ~ِ أَتَأْتُونَ الْفَاحِشَةَ مَا سَبَقَكُمْ بِهَا مِنْ أَحَد ٍ مِنَ الْعَالَمِينَإِنَّكُمْ لَتَأْتُونَ الرِّجَالَ شَهْوَة ً مِنْ دُونِ النِسَاء ۚ بَلْ أَنْتُمْ قَوْم ٌ مُسْرِفُونَ

We also (sent) Lut: he said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? "For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds." (Holy Qur'an 7:80-81)



Qur'an is pretty clear on the matter. Men getting on with Men is forbidden... so common sense would say the same is true with the Lesbians.
thanks bro. :up:

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Postby fisabililah » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:51 pm

Assalamu caleykum,

All these gays that claim its all good to be muslim and gay, have commited kufr due to their Istixlaal (making xalal what was prohibited). The arrogance they show is amazing, as for this http://www.somaligaycommunity.org allahul mustacan.

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Postby tightrope » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:54 pm

Assalamu caleykum,

All these gays that claim its all good to be muslim and gay, have commited kufr due to their Istixlaal (making xalal what was prohibited). The arrogance they show is amazing, as for this http://www.somaligaycommunity.org allahul mustacan.
LIKE SOMALILAND, THIS WEBSITE DOESN'T EXIST :lol:

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Postby fisabililah » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:58 pm

It does'nt ?

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Postby Scarletmoon1 » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:00 pm

Assalamu caleykum,

All these gays that claim its all good to be muslim and gay, have commited kufr due to their Istixlaal (making xalal what was prohibited). The arrogance they show is amazing, as for this http://www.somaligaycommunity.org allahul mustacan.
LIKE SOMALILAND, THIS WEBSITE DOESN'T EXIST :lol:
dont compare is website to Somalia.This website is filled with Kids who needs to whipped into sense.The fourms are funny to laugh at tho...

Filled with nothing but kafufars and confused kids

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Postby burhaan2010 » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:00 pm

nacalad ku yaal gays :x

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Postby KingMJ » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:01 pm

Assalamu caleykum,

All these gays that claim its all good to be muslim and gay, have commited kufr due to their Istixlaal (making xalal what was prohibited). The arrogance they show is amazing, as for this http://www.somaligaycommunity.org allahul mustacan.
LIKE SOMALILAND, THIS WEBSITE DOESN'T EXIST :lol:
Yep she's right its Fake. Its a Fake website and community that is funded by a local borough/government.

The cheapshot at somaliland wasn't needed though :x

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Postby BlackVelvet » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:05 pm

Well technically speaking I haven't come across an ayat in the Quran that says that 2 women or 2 men for that matter may not marry. Granted, you could argue that it goes against the "grand plan" of life, Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve argument nevertheless it was never, to my very limited knowledge, explicitly forbidden in the Quran.
admitting your ignorance and then argueing is just stupid is it not ? :lol:
Of course I am ignorant, like you, I am not a scholar. Furthermore I am not arguing about anything because like I said I am not a scholar so it's not my place. I'm just stating where these people might be coming from.

Fah and KingMJ made good posts nevertheless they both ended up agreeing that a level of common sense or a leap of logic is necessary and that was the whole point of my post. If you have anything knowledgable or intelligent to add please do so, we are all sure to benefit.

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Postby burhaan2010 » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:07 pm

Well technically speaking I haven't come across an ayat in the Quran that says that 2 women or 2 men for that matter may not marry. Granted, you could argue that it goes against the "grand plan" of life, Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve argument nevertheless it was never, to my very limited knowledge, explicitly forbidden in the Quran.
admitting your ignorance and then argueing is just stupid is it not ? :lol:
Of course I am ignorant, like you, I am not a scholar. Furthermore I am not arguing about anything because like I said I am not a scholar so it's not my place. I'm just stating where these people might be coming from.

Fah and KingMJ made good posts nevertheless they both ended up agreeing that a level of common sense or a leap of logic is necessary and that was the whole point of my post. If you have anything knowledgable or intelligent to add please do so, we are all sure to benefit.
y am i not suprised u defendin the gays? ilahay haku soo hanuuniyo.

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Postby SahanGalbeed » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:09 pm

There are gays in every community , however I believe one cannot remain a while engaged in homosexuality .
I could be wrong , Allahu yaclam .

BV is NOT defending anyone , she is looking for answers
If you have anything knowledgable or intelligent to add please do so, we are all sure to benefit.

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Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings -

Postby KingMJ » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:10 pm

y am i not suprised u defendin the gays? ilahay haku soo hanuuniyo.
She's not defending them sxb, she's just thinking about their view and why they do it.


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