Really interesting article

[gurey25]

Gurey you are a very astute thinker, especially for this forum. But you are advocating a national development model as the way forward( rightfully) and denounce neoliberalism, but then advocate for regionalism, these two concepts do not reconcile with each other. Its the 21st century and Somali nature notwisthanding, there is zero leverage associated with regionalism, you will get violated by capital interests even easier than you would otherwise. Show me a single example of a state that has developed adequately without strong govt, state intervention etc. The state is the only bulwark against global capital, its the only thing that can hold some sort of leverage, and coherently manage/direct any priorities.

you are confusing , what do you mean by me promoting regionalism?
I hope you are not talking about somaliland etc etc.
This is another issue for another thread i have no time for qabiil bashing fadhi kudirir , i do not want to derail this thread.

[Jaidi]

Gurey you are a very astute thinker, especially for this forum. But you are advocating a national development model as the way forward( rightfully) and denounce neoliberalism, but then advocate for regionalism, these two concepts do not reconcile with each other. Its the 21st century and Somali nature notwisthanding, there is zero leverage associated with regionalism, you will get violated by capital interests even easier than you would otherwise. Show me a single example of a state that has developed adequately without strong govt, state intervention etc. The state is the only bulwark against global capital, its the only thing that can hold some sort of leverage, and coherently manage/direct any priorities.

you are confusing , what do you mean by me promoting regionalism?
I hope you are not talking about somaliland etc etc.
This is another issue for another thread i have no time for qabiil bashing fadhi kudirir , i do not want to derail this thread.

No I am referring to the posts you made regarding oil production, I have no hidden agenda, I'm talking about potential for long term legitimate development for any region not one in specific.

[gurey25]

oh i see..
when i made that post i was only refering to how easy it is to set up a wild cat production once you have identified where the oil is and provided its close to the ground like in Texas, and Saudia and UAE.
it can be as low as $1 million ..

the expensive part that is beyond the capability of small regions is the distribution infrastructure which can cost as much as $500 million to $2 billion.

[bareento]

Mujahid Gurey and his maverick economical thinlings!

Japan is finished for two reasons:
i) it massively holds american debts...and usa is not faring well; sooner japan will be in the situation of todays european banks which hold greece and italian bonds!
ii) concerning the usa -japanese relation, the debtor is so powerful that if things get serious they can modify the rules of the game at their advantage.

In my opinion the current world economic powers are in the same ship, if one seriously loses the other loses too...a failed america is not even good for china!

B.

[gurey25]

Mujahid Gurey and his maverick economical thinlings!

Japan is finished for two reasons:
i) it massively holds american debts...and usa is not faring well; sooner japan will be in the situation of todays european banks which hold greece and italian bonds!
ii) concerning the usa -japanese relation, the debtor is so powerful that if things get serious they can modify the rules of the game at their advantage.

In my opinion the current world economic powers are in the same ship, if one seriously loses the other loses too...a failed america is not even good for china!

B.

barentoo how are ya mate.
maverick, trust me my ideas are normal and common place.
you should learn how to seperate the bullshit from the relevent information.


as for the dollar.

everyone knows that its time has come, RIP dollar.
To replace it would be an international effort of some sort, some kind of basket case of currencies, and commodities like oil and gold.
This is the general direction things are headed , and the details are yet to be negotiated.

The US and the EU to a lesser extent have given up complete power to the financiers , and the financiers like any parasite are not really thinking clearly
they will grow and grow and grow till they kill their hosts, in this case the economies that they have had the most influence in.
and they will be hurting themselves too, host dies, parastite dies..

unless it spread..
and they have spread far and wide, especially in the developing world.
The survivors will be those countries that are strong enough to keep them on a tight leash and have qaurentined their economies while still playing the same game as them.
These countries are Japan, China, India and malaysia..

As for the collapse of the dollar hurting Japan or china.
dont worry about it, everyone has seen this cumming nearly 40 years ago when Nixon floated the Dollar on thin air and tore up what was left of the bretton woods agreement..

Do you seriously believe with 37 years warning that nobody would take measures?

china and Japan will do all they can to keep the US economy on life support, keep it allive untill their Divestment strategies are complete.
When they are satisfied that a crash will not cause long term damage, only cause a little pain here and there, they will pull the plug ..

Dont worry about Japan or China, or any of the countries with their eyes open and are controlled by their own governments they will not only survive but do well in the future,

You should worry about countries that are fully controlled by the financiers, and believe the fairytale neo-liberal economics and "Free Trade"
They will be hit hardest.

[AhmedBoqor]

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[bareento]

Mujahid Gurey, wat makes u think that the Chinese or Japanese financier is more patriotic or wise than their american/euro countreparts?
or that they have less to say in their respective governments?

For the last 40 years the chinese financier are making the heirs of Mao dance to the tunes of the most barbaric liberalism !
That is big achievement...and biggest victory of finance!
Paraphrasing a known saying of Mirabeau I can say China is not a state with finance, but finance which at last finds a state!

Lenin said the capitalist are capable of selling the rope in which they will be hanged: in my opinion that is wat the financiers whether western or their asian counterparts are doing!

B.

[gurey25]

Mujahid Gurey, wat makes u think that the Chinese or Japanese financier is more patriotic or wise than their american/euro countreparts?
or that they have less to say in their respective governments?

For the last 40 years the chinese financier are making the heirs of Mao dance to the tunes of the most barbaric liberalism !
That is big achievement...and biggest victory of finance!
Paraphrasing a known saying of Mirabeau I can say China is not a state with finance, but finance which at last finds a state!

Lenin said the capitalist are capable of selling the rope in which they will be hanged: in my opinion that is wat the financiers whether western or their asian counterparts are doing!

B.

very easy bareento.
Economic policy in Japan and china is made by their governments, not by bankers.
Banks in Japan and china are well behaved and obedient pets, that are on a tight leash from their governments.
When the government says sit they sit, when they say roll over they roll over.
While in many of the western countries particularly the USA its the other way around.
Its as simple as that.

While in the USA the federal reserve which is not an organ of government but in reality a private bank, has more say about economic policy than the president or congress.
Obama is there to simply rubber stamp decisions made by the federal reserve..
It wasnt like that in the past, there were times when the government had some say, there were times when the president has real power, not today..

didnt deng xiao ping say " if the cat can catch mice, it doesnt matter if its white or black"

and you should avoid the common mistake confusing finance with capitalism.
and liberalism with neo-liberalism.

If you read adam smiths work, or daiv ricardos for example they would be more relevant than the bullshit being spilled today.
and mind you i am not a capitalist or a communist/socialist...

it will take a large number of isms to try to describe my thoughts, but lets say for short its Islam.

[ToughGong]

So some punk called Nicholas Kristoff is gonna tell us what does or doesn't qualif as riba

[Saraxnow]

@Faashil iga dheh lol

Gurey25 is Da Man

What do you think of this article:http://www.ipa.org.au/library/59-1_Islam+FreeMarket.pdf. Iys not 100% but its interesting.

[bareento]

Mujahid Gurey, wat makes u think that the Chinese or Japanese financier is more patriotic or wise than their american/euro countreparts?
or that they have less to say in their respective governments?

For the last 40 years the chinese financier are making the heirs of Mao dance to the tunes of the most barbaric liberalism !
That is big achievement...and biggest victory of finance!
Paraphrasing a known saying of Mirabeau I can say China is not a state with finance, but finance which at last finds a state!

Lenin said the capitalist are capable of selling the rope in which they will be hanged: in my opinion that is wat the financiers whether western or their asian counterparts are doing!

B.

very easy bareento.
Economic policy in Japan and china is made by their governments, not by bankers.
Banks in Japan and china are well behaved and obedient pets, that are on a tight leash from their governments.
When the government says sit they sit, when they say roll over they roll over.
While in many of the western countries particularly the USA its the other way around.
Its as simple as that.

While in the USA the federal reserve which is not an organ of government but in reality a private bank, has more say about economic policy than the president or congress.
Obama is there to simply rubber stamp decisions made by the federal reserve..
It wasnt like that in the past, there were times when the government had some say, there were times when the president has real power, not today..

didnt deng xiao ping say " if the cat can catch mice, it doesnt matter if its white or black"

and you should avoid the common mistake confusing finance with capitalism.
and liberalism with neo-liberalism.

If you read adam smiths work, or daiv ricardos for example they would be more relevant than the bullshit being spilled today.
and mind you i am not a capitalist or a communist/socialist...

it will take a large number of isms to try to describe my thoughts, but lets say for short its Islam.

I came to think that Islam is only a recipe to avoid hell for those who are afraid of it!
The purest form of islam is Wahabism, and it scares the hell out of me, and it proposes going back to 14 century!
Surely a very simplistic solution!

You really think chinese and japanese bankers do not control their respective countries?
For me the only difference between chinese and japanese financiers/bankers and their countrparts in the west is the way they make money (at list most of it):
the japanes /chinese make it in investing in "traditional way" ie in industries...their western counterparts in pure speculation.
These situation is imposed upon them by the objective situation of their country: their strong and weak points imposes to them to take this or that path.
Their government is mere rubber stamp validating it...

B.