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Re: Really interesting article

Postby abdalla11 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:19 am

^I've searched the same documentary on Youtube, here it is.



I think you can die as a happy woman lol

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Re: Really interesting article

Postby SultanOrder » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:02 pm

^wow amazing women :up:

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Re: Really interesting article

Postby BlackVelvet » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:35 pm

Mashallah, very impressive ladies.

But we're not there yet. The quality of life of many women around the globe is yet to improve, but we will get there inshallah.

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Re: Really interesting article

Postby gurey25 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:33 pm

No sane mind will ever resort to Quran or Hadeeth to solve economic problems.
Economy is such a serious matter to be left in the hands of fanatics.


I came to conclusion that every religion is just a recipe to avoid the fire hereafter for its believers

Wake Up!!
There is no KNOWLEDGE (scientific or watever) in any religious writing!!!
No one has ever invented anything by studying Quran or the Bible

B

You have been secularized, just like the europeans....
Religion and holy books are just fairytales for children is that it..



The current economic system is wrong and evil in every sense, stop worshiping the west and be proud of religiona nd culture.

have your oromo ancesters ever used interest based banking??

that they didnt is not a sign of backwardness but actually a sign of intelligence...
most culures in the world resisted interest banking, and to most it was an alien concept..


The west used it to suck the life out of their peasants, and then they sucked it out of each other all the while concentrating wealth in ever smaller hands,
they then spread to the rest of the world and ensalved all of us..

they still ensalve your mind

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Re: Really interesting article

Postby gurey25 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:38 pm

The quran has the solution to all our economic problems..

[2:275] Those who charge usury are in the same position as those controlled by the devil's influence. This is because they claim that usury is the same as commerce. However, GOD permits commerce, and prohibits usury. Thus, whoever heeds this commandment from his Lord, and refrains from usury, he may keep his past earnings, and his judgment rests with GOD. As for those who persist in usury, they incur Hell, wherein they abide forever

it is crystal clear...

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Re: Really interesting article

Postby Siciid85 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:50 pm

An amazing Ayyah! Allah indeed is all knowing and we know not. That verse is right on mark.

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Re: Really interesting article

Postby bareento » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:59 pm

The quran has the solution to all our economic problems..

[2:275] Those who charge usury are in the same position as those controlled by the devil's influence. This is because they claim that usury is the same as commerce. However, GOD permits commerce, and prohibits usury. Thus, whoever heeds this commandment from his Lord, and refrains from usury, he may keep his past earnings, and his judgment rests with GOD. As for those who persist in usury, they incur Hell, wherein they abide forever

it is crystal clear...
Speaking of Salafism :D
How can this ayat tells how to solve economic problems!
if God wanted to give us a book about economy, it most certainly wouldnt have been in the form of Quran!

U r like a jealous man suspecting his wife of cheating, and thus interprets all her moves and deeds as prove of his hypothesis!
U interpret Quran in the way that best suits your fantasy!
The same way a kuku wahabi who feel like chopping hands finds ayat that proves his approach; the same way u find ayat that proves your fantasys about economy/finance!

Some drop out of physics will find some relief by learning some ayats of the Quaran (after all if Quran is encompasses everything andu know Quran why spend tie in labarotories...)


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Re: Really interesting article

Postby gurey25 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:16 pm

Ok barentoo lets play a game.

you name a developing country, it doesnt have to be a muslim country. and i will explain to you how allah commands will provide a solution to its economic problems.

Lets stay away from Ethiopia, becuase its problems are not really economic but a parasitical government.
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Re: Really interesting article

Postby bareento » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:22 pm

Gurey,
U were/are(?) one very few rational person on this forum, and coming from u this surprises me very much!
If solutions were such easy that u can deliver in 5 minutes, it would have been applied longtime ago!

Remember most people will apply watever solution as far as it works!

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Re: Really interesting article

Postby gurey25 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:24 pm

oh and i did not mention salafism in this thread.

I am against salafism, it is responsible for the dumbing down of muslims...

you are a good example of the damage done by them...

you have been exposed to salafism , but not the rich culture and intellectualism of our past.

so you reject it, and unfortunatley reject most of islam.

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Re: Really interesting article

Postby gurey25 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:26 pm

knowing the solutions and talking about them is very different to implementing them.

The difficult part is implementing them..

..

so i invite you to play the game..

it will not take any more than a few posts in this thread to outline the solutions, from the quran to any current economic problem.

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Re: Really interesting article

Postby bareento » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:31 pm

I reject the Idea that goes like "since every knowledge is in Quran, every problem, whether it be economy ,science or watever , has solutions in Quran"
Solutions are found by hard labour! hard work! by try and error!

I read Quran in arabic, Oromo and english! I read hadith in oromo and english!
I didnt find anything like economic treaties, or gravitational theory!!

That there is no contradiction between science and the saying of Quran is one thing, but pretending that every soution is in Quran is blatant charlatanism!



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Re: Really interesting article

Postby bareento » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:34 pm

Well, lets begin with Somalia 8-)

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Re: Really interesting article

Postby gurey25 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:23 pm

Sorry mate somalia is not a country, there is no central government, no banks.
somalia is not a good example becuase its economy does not play by the rules that you are comfortable with.

I was expecting you to use an example of a developing country that plays by IMF/world bank rules is stable and has been given the status of well behaved student by them.. something like ghana or Mali for example.
These countries play by the rules but are still dirt poor, and most people cannot see how they will be a developed country or at least eliminate poverty in 20 years.

Ok lets look at ethiopia then, and lets assume that this is an ethiopia in an alternate reality, where the political problems have been resolved,
and is some sort of stable democratic government that wants to eliminate poverty.


how would you eliminate extreme poverty by following the guidelines of the quran.
the first khalifate of the khulafa al rashidun particularly under the reign of Umar did not eliminate poverty but made sure that the basic needs of the people were met.
This means, food, shelter, clothing and work.

how was this done?

The previous practices in the newly conquered lands of syria, Iraq and egypt and Persia were removed.
The former taxes were removed and only the khumus or 1/5th tax on production was left along with the jizya for non muslims and the mandotary 2.5% zakat on the muslims.

All forms of money lending on interest was banned. and wieght and measures standardized along with the gold dinar and dirham

The taxes on agricultural production at 20% seem high but were less than half the rates of. the byzantines, and even the persians, these went direct to the bait al mal

Then for the first time in history the government in this case khalifs umar through the bait al mal, provided funds to the majority of the people who were christian, interest free to purchase seeds and equipement and also into maintaing and further developing the irrigation system and roads.

funds from the bait al mal also went into what later became caravanaseries, which were basically strategically located inns providing free accomodation, warehousing and food to merchants along the trade routes.


Khalifa umar did not know it , he was basically following the quran and hadith and trying to improvise , but he was responsible for setting off the muslim agricultural revolution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Agric ... Revolution


Within only 30 years of the prophets death, the entire region underwent an economic boom.
The christian peasants were for the first time able to own land freely and buy and sell them without bineg subject to class or religous restrictions.
They could travel anywhere, trade anywhere safley from india to spain opening up the huge market.
Living standards were much higher than during the best periods of Byzantine rule.


To sum it up.

1. Land reform
2. An interest free currency ( eliminating all forms of
3.Free trade without any monopolies (not todays interpretation of free trade).
4. Zakat providing the safety net to the poor
5. Investment in long term improvement in infrastructure

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Re: Really interesting article

Postby gurey25 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:30 pm

If you are finding it difficult to grasp how an interest free economy or currency would work i would advise you to read.
my recomendation in the begining of this thread.

Bernard Lietaer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Future_of_Money
http://www.transaction.net/money/book/index.html


or you can go for the source..
from 100 years ago fro silvio gesell.

The Natural Economic Order
here is the free online copy

http://wikilivres.info/wiki/The_Natural_Economic_Order

and especially this part..

http://wikilivres.info/wiki/The_Natural ... /Chapter_1

a hundred years onld and its still potent.

enjoy


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