Hamza Yusuf chats so much shit

[LobsterUnit]

He just said on Aljazeera, " you can't chop of peoples hands in the consumer society we live in today". This is one of the funniest arguments I've heard against hudood implementation.

[Shirib]

why not?

[union]

You can't chop off people's hands period.

[Shirib]

You can't chop off people's hands period.

why not

[union]

You can't chop off people's hands period.

why not

Because what benefit would an amputee bring to society?

[Kukri]

[Shirib]

You can't chop off people's hands period.

why not

Because what benefit would an amputee bring to society?

deterrence

[SultanOrder]

Understand where he comes from first. Eventhough I caught the last 5mins of the show, I've heard him repeat that many times.

[union]

deterrence

Other methods of punishment can deter crime, with the most affective crime solving method being addressing the basic causes such as poverty. Chopping off someone's limb is going to render them permanently handicap and they will become a burden on society.

[IRONm@N]

You can't chop off people's hands period.

why not

Because what benefit would an amputee bring to society?

So he should rather keep stealing people's wealth and spread corruption? you know how much is spent on theives in this world, most of these police centers, cars, investigation, jails, DNA, Security, Cameras, Alarms and locks, all of these is because of theives and murders.

and the Ummah could save a lot of money by just carrying out the Sharia.

Life is short, no time to spend money and time on these lazy fools that just want a short cut.

[Shirib]

Understand where he comes from first. Eventhough I caught the last 5mins of the show, I've heard him repeat that many times.

care to explain

[*Nobleman*]

So what does he mean? that because we live in a society dominated by material and consumerism we cannot implement sharia punishments for theft

[union]

So he should rather keep stealing people's wealth and spread corruption? you know how much is spent on theives in this world, most of these police centers, cars, investigation, jails, DNA, Security, Cameras, Alarms and locks, all of these is because of theives and murders.

and the Ummah could save a lot of money by just carrying out the Sharia.

Life is short, no time to spend money and time on these lazy fools that just want a short cut.

Fair point I guess. But money will be spent taking care of the amputee by the society, as there aren't many jobs that can be done with one hand. But from the shariah I've seen implemented throughout the world, it's usually teenagers having their limbs cut off over trivial offenses like stealing a cellphone and such, I don't think that can ever be justified.

[ms.naliaa]

So he should rather keep stealing people's wealth and spread corruption? you know how much is spent on theives in this world, most of these police centers, cars, investigation, jails, DNA, Security, Cameras, Alarms and locks, all of these is because of theives and murders.

and the Ummah could save a lot of money by just carrying out the Sharia.

Life is short, no time to spend money and time on these lazy fools that just want a short cut.

Thats a good thing.
If there no thieves....those people would be out of the job.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

You can't chop off people's hands period.

agreed

chopping hands is abrogated

1400 years ago even pre non muslims society like arab pagans and romans even greeks they use to practise chopping hands for theft . so choping hand for tuuganimo was not invented by Muslims.it was common practise in that time society thousends years ago.

its like SLAVERY. quran and hadiith says you can own people. but today no man practise buying and selling people like 1400 years ago. therefore chopping hand is nothing to whit islam.