Greater Somalia, a policy of expansionism?

[Coeus]

While many of us (clan driven seccecionists excluded) see Greater Somalia as an Obvius duty for ourselves and our wellbeing of our people. Some see it as as expansionist Policy, and a such that could threaten the borders in all of Africa. There arent many nations in Africa that are homogeneus as the Somalis, but there are many countries that have the same tribes in different borders. And for that reason some African countries like Kenya already argued using this argument when Somalia told them to hand over NFD.

See:

For us Kenyans, the Somalis demand that we give up approximately 45,000
square miles of our territory (approximately a fifth of the land mass), not
only is it unacceptable but also violates our Constitution and the OAU
Charter. The Kenyan view was and continues to be similar to that expressed
by the majority of the Organization of African Unit member countries:
"Thus, in almost every country in Africa, there are minority
groups having racial, religious or tribal affinities with
neighboring countries."27

Our politicians argument back in the sixties was a valid argument of the unification of all ancestral Somali lands.

Here:

Our misfortune is that our neighboring countries, with
whom we seek to promote constructive and harmonious relations
are not our neighbors but our Somali kinsmen whose citizen-
ship has been falsified by indiscriminate boundary "arrangements".
They have to move across artificial frontiers to their pasture
lands. They occupy the same terrain and pursue the same
pastoral economy as overselves. We speak the same language.
We worship the same God, the same culture and the same traditions.
How can we regard our brothers as foreigners?"

But i also suspect that Kenya has had fears about Somali expansionism, thus that scary thought has blocked their rational thinking and thus our message has passed deaf ears.

But there has also been some claims by Kenyan goverment officials back in the 60´s that "Greater Somalia" was an Idea created by Mr. Bevin. He was Britain's Foreign Secretary after the end of world war II proposed to the House of Commons in London to consider lumping together the British Somaliland, Italian Somaliland and adjacent parts of Ethiopia into a trust
territory. It was a particular quote by him in 1946, that made the Kenyans argument valide.

"The nomads should live their frugal existence with the least
possible hinderance. They could have a chance to live a decent
economic life.

So my question is. Is it feasable and desirable for Somalis in Kenya and Djibouti to join Greater Somalia? (provided stability and development occurs in Somalia).

I hope we have a decent and productive discussion, ladies and gentlemen

[CORRUPTION]

[ZubeirAwal]

Greater Somalia failed thanks to djbouti...

in the 50's,the djboutians were given 2 choices;

1-To gain independence and let the french leave
2-to gain independence but still remain a french vessel

they chose the 2nd one, and they were signing a deal which was about the clans in the region

the original clans were

1-Cisse
2-Isaaq
-3Gadabursi
-4 afar

but the cisse and afar wrote that the real original clans were cisse and afar, so the gadabursi's and isaaq were taken out of the area and put in british somaliland..

Now about kenya...
Judging by the video that gemini snake posted,the "Mandeera triangle" (where Ethiopia,Kenya,and Somalia meet) the border was completely abandoned ,Rapists go through and rob,mug rape and kill nomadic villagers in the country side,and now in Somalia, a war is still going on, so better not think about other regions before cleaning your own.

[Coeus]

Greater Somalia failed thanks to djbouti...

in the 50's,the djboutians were given 2 choices;

1-To gain independence and let the french leave
2-to gain independence but still remain a french vessel

they chose the 2nd one, and they were signing a deal which was about the clans in the region

the original clans were

1-Cisse
2-Isaaq
-3Gadabursi
-4 afar

but the cisse and afar wrote that the real original clans were cisse and afar, so the gadabursi's and isaaq were taken out of the area and put in british somaliland..

Now about kenya...
Judging by the video that gemini snake posted,the "Mandeera triangle" (where Ethiopia,Kenya,and Somalia meet) the border was completely abandoned ,Rapists go through and rob,mug rape and kill nomadic villagers in the country side,and now in Somalia, a war is still going on, so better not think about other regions before cleaning your own.

It is totally false to state that Djibouti denied the referendum. It was rigged and the french was behind it.

1958, on the eve of neighboring Somalia's independence in 1960, a referendum was held in the territory to decide whether or not to join the Somali Republic or to remain with France. The referendum turned out in favour of a continued association with France, partly due to a combined yes vote by the sizable Afar ethnic group and resident Europeans.[4] There was also widespread vote rigging, with the French expelling thousands of Somalis before the referendum reached the polls.[5] The majority of those who voted no were Somalis who were strongly in favour of joining a united Somalia, as had been proposed by Mahmoud Harbi, Vice President of the Government Council. Harbi was killed in a plane crash two years later.[4]

[ZubeirAwal]

^ If that's the case why didn't they join somalia in 1977?, if they didn't want to join then, why will they want to join now?

[Coeus]

^ If that's the case why didn't they join somalia in 1977?, if they didn't want to join then, why will they want to join now?

The reason Djibouti didnt join Somalia in 1977 as it was planned, was total failure on our side. Although Somalia was the driving force behind the recognition of djibouti, Politicians had quarell within themselves with itself derailed the unification process.

[ZubeirAwal]

^ If that's the case why didn't they join somalia in 1977?, if they didn't want to join then, why will they want to join now?

The reason Djibouti didnt join Somalia in 1977 as it was planned, was total failure on our side. Although Somalia was the driving force behind the recognition of djibouti, Politicians had quarell within themselves with itself derailed the unification process.

The point im trying to make is, a country like djbouti and a country like somalia coming together at our time is not a good thing, war meets peace, and the Gelleh himself knows that he's embarresed of being a somali and would be more embarresed to unite with him, especially at a critical time like this....

[Coeus]

That i can perfectly understand in a situation like this. And really Djibouti has been the only nation willing to genuinly help us as sad as our state right now is. But the point with this thread is, will the apetite of greater Somalia live on even is the state is rehabilitated?

[ZubeirAwal]

It may live on but getting back k-5 seems impossible maybe if they become their own state like S-land, but k-5's about 40-60% of the land in ethiopia meaning if it breaks-away ethiopia will be tiny
in reality the HORN of Africa belongs to Somalis.
And the thing of Somaliland is, the only way i see Somaliland coming back ,is that the weak government in the south should admit and hand over complete power to hargeisa, drop this flag ,which has so many blood and hateful memories on it, and put this one up

[Coeus]

[ZubeirAwal]

Or another approach....
Something called , United Somali States which will be like

Somaliland=England(Powerhouse)
Somalia=Scotland
Djbouti=Wales
k-5=Northen ireland
NFD=...........

[Coeus]

Or another approach....
Something called , United Somali States which will be like

Somaliland=England(Powerhouse)
Somalia=Scotland
Djbouti=Wales
k-5=Northen ireland
NFD=...........

[ZubeirAwal]

You know i ain't serious though, this thread should add "wishful thinking"

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

Or another approach....
Something called , United Somali States which will be like

Somaliland=England(Powerhouse)
Somalia=Scotland
Djbouti=Wales
k-5=Northen ireland
NFD=...........

WTF

[KingMJ]

NFD=...........

What about Puntland sxb who will they from the British lands?

Isle of man?