Global Islamic State

[Shirib]

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Shirib wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
There is no such a thing as an Islamic state, because Islam is in its essence is anti-state from what we view as state today.


nation, country, empire, whatever u have it. U know what I was getting at. So what's your take

My take is your a big bimbo

u gonna tell me why

[DisplacedDiraac]

PO - Waar naga amuss sacsac yahow.. I still stand by my comment! Muslims just cant get along based on 'their differences'..!!
Heck its blatantly obvious in the west let alone in a Muslim wadan/state!

[gurey25]

There is no such a thing as an Islamic state, because Islam is in its essence is anti-state from what we view as state today.

Ottomans were the closest, but it didn't develop into what we view as a "statE"

Bingo...

Islamic "state" is an oxymoron there was never an Islamic state..
Our minds have become accustomed to the current reality and we will all automatically imagine that since we live in "States" the old khalifates were "states" which they were not..

We need to first de-westernize our brains, our thinking.
Then we need to look at our history without western lens, because in reality we see the past just the way we someone in Europe will see our past.. Which is highly innaccurate..

even our jihadis are westernized in outlook and thinking unwittingly..
all this is the result of centuries of western domination..


once we get our heads around this fact, we will be able to see clearly and then ,

only then can we move forward...

because one cannot go forward without knowing where he has been or where he is right now..
in essence we are all lost..

[Shirib]

There is no such a thing as an Islamic state, because Islam is in its essence is anti-state from what we view as state today.

Ottomans were the closest, but it didn't develop into what we view as a "statE"

Bingo...

Islamic "state" is an oxymoron there was never an Islamic state..
Our minds have become accustomed to the current reality and we will all automatically imagine that since we live in "States" the old khalifates were "states" which they were not..

We need to first de-westernize our brains, our thinking.
Then we need to look at our history without western lens, because in reality we see the past just the way we someone in Europe will see our past.. Which is highly innaccurate..

even our jihadis are westernized in outlook and thinking unwittingly..
all this is the result of centuries of western domination..


once we get our heads around this fact, we will be able to see clearly and then ,

only then can we move forward...

because one cannot go forward without knowing where he has been or where he is right now..
in essence we are all lost..

Our resident historian care to explain a little about the old kaliphates, and if u can see something similar springing up. Lets hear your input

[bareento]

Global Islamic state has never existed, and it will never exist.
It is as if something went wrong right from the beginning in the building of Islamic state : some years after the death of the Prophet,
his followers started to butcher each other like no tomorrow!

Only muslims in the west think in the sens of Globality when it comes to form a state!
Islam is not binding, the difference between muslims is greather than wat unite them!

Besides we must bear in mind that some parts of muslim countrys are de-islamized, wat is the need of being with them.

B.

[SultanOrder]

PO - Waar naga amuss sacsac yahow.. I still stand by my comment! Muslims just cant get along based on 'their differences'..!!
Heck its blatantly obvious in the west let alone in a Muslim wadan/state!

I don't disagree with you, we are divided, but I stand against your assertion that our current "division, and differences" is the reason why we can't be under one state. And my point was against that specific assertion, pointing out that in our heyday of under one empire, there still very powerful sects within Islam.
Bimbo

[SultanOrder]

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Shirib wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
There is no such a thing as an Islamic state, because Islam is in its essence is anti-state from what we view as state today.


nation, country, empire, whatever u have it. U know what I was getting at. So what's your take

My take is your a big bimbo

u gonna tell me why

Dude can I not have an opinion about you without backing it up

[Executive]

Its funny how a lot of muslims want to distancing themselves from greater unity and cooperation between the muslim countries. I wonder why on earth would a muslim screw his face over that Idea. We are seeing western countries working towards economic unity for example the Euro and European central bank, military co-operations and so on.....While muslim countries are building up their military stock to suppress their own people or to point their guns at other muslim countries.

The reality is much more different to what you just posted

No its not, but for a secularist like yourself who believes in the pure "somali" bloodline it must be hard to swallow

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[gurey25]

It will take several pages..
but to be brief ...


The building blocks of an Islamic dawla are the different groupings of emarat.
It was not a centralized Empire like China or Rome, but heavily decentralized..
dozens of amiirs some heridatary some appointed by the khalifas and some even elected by the people would rule.
They would administer the emarat, the courts , disperse zakat, etc etc..

services such as education, social services etc would be done by hundreds awqaf.
Even the building and maintanance of infrastructure such as roads, bridges, irrigation etc would be done by independant waqfs..

a khalifa for example , even the khulafa al rashidun such as cumar had immense moral and spiritual influnce and power but very little political power..

The president of a democratic country has more political power than even the strongest khulafa..

[Executive]

why do we need a global Islamic state We already got Islamic countries council

Whats that?

Organization of the Islamic Council (OIS)

You must mean Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) but I get the joke now

[Shirib]

Dude can I not have an opinion about you without backing it up

Maybe I been writing too many papers lately, but I tend to like ideas backed up lol

[Cumar-Labasuul]

I am 100% for a return of the caliphate - uniting all muslim lands. However, it will be very difficult to establish (all if Allah wills). I also see the difficulties not with the nationalistic types but for a number of reasons mentioned:

1) Who will lead (will it be those descended from quraish/ahlul bayt/others etc)
2) Different cultures i.e. africans, asians (south & south-east), arabs etc
3) Different sects (not only sunni and shiica but also the sects within them)
4) The west wouldn't allow it (by west I mean koofiyad duub)

[BlackVelvet]

I always say I am from Xamar and Afgooye, but yet everyone sticks Baay and Bakool on me, go figure lol

But back to the thing, almost all of the boundaries and ideas of nationalism that exist today because it was forged by Europeans. Other identities existed and the strongest one was being religion. How else do you explain Islamic empires that existed even long after the death of the Prophet. These weren't seen on a level of nationalism but on a level of religion

I heard/saw you say something like that once and it stuck with me, well Afgooye it is then.

@ "Ideas of nationalism that exist today were forged by Europeans" - Some ideas such as the borders yes, the nations were made static entities by the Europeans but kingdoms and empires existed long before then, they might not necessarily have had democratically elected heads of state but they did function as nations in their own way. You know about Buganda, Ancient Egypt, the Mongols, heck China and Japan.

Religion acts as a glue of sorts to hold a society together but my point remains, economics and power come before religion in the real world. When people have a common interest they tend to work together and if it happens that they share a religion, well and good. But religion alone does nothing to hold a people together, it may bring them together but it won't hold them together.

[zaahidun]

dowla islaamiya wey dhici karta weyna dhaceysaa ,lakin waxaa jira wax yaal badan oo in laga gudbo eey qasab noqoneysa , sida dowladnimada laga hormarinayo islaanimada ,gaalada ayagoo inyar ku mideysan ayey heshiiyeen lakin qalbiga kama heshiinin islaanimadana waa in gudaha iyo banaanka laga heshiisyo , in lahelo dad isku ilaalin karo all munslims shi'a suni iyo inta kale lana suubiyo goals lana xaqiijiyo , dowlada carabta isku tagooda waa bilow fiican lakin waa in maamulka horumarin lagu suubiyaa .
dhibkan waxaa noo keenay inaan amarka alle qaadan weynay ooy qaarkeen diinta wax ka sheegayaa qaarna secularism faafinayaan ,qaar fikirka gaalada la dhacsan oon diintiisna wax ka aqoonin laakin dhabta waa hadaan Allah uwada noqono Alle wuu noo naxariisana hogaan fiicanna wuu noo sahlayaa , aan ku cibra qaadano axaadiithta nabiga ee aakhiru zamaanka ka hadleysa .

[Kukri]

So what are your thoughts of having a global Islamic state, that encompasses all Muslim lands? Are you in favor of it, are you against it? Do you think its a good idea, bad idea? Do you think a global Islamic state will happen ever again in our lifetime? Discuss

Not in our lifetime but it will sure happen.

A global Islamic state is a good idea as opposed to the current global kafir state.