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[Voltage]

There is no other Somali sheikh that I had the privilege of growing that I sensed had as much respect as he had. Again, Sheikh Boqolsoon spoke very specifically about people like you and Caydiid. Will you? A mere ignorant kid without even semi-basic foundation contest Sheikh Boqolsoon's verdict using Dalil, Qur'an, Jurisprudence, and anything else for your usage of the term "mujahid" towards a man, forget about him, but his supporters have been labeled as Kufr by the premier Somali Sheikh of the last century?

http://www.addacwah.com/Muxadaro/Sh_Max ... aalada.ram

No wonder you laugh and giggle and deflect the point of contention. Bring yourself from the fault-line of hypocrisy before it engulfs you.

[union]

A wolf in sheep's clothing.

[Voltage]

Wasn't the Sheikh ruthlessly murdered by the USC? I would hardly call those men mujahideen at that point in time.

Yes, after he said he they are enemies of Islam and made takfiir on their supporters, not only them. This wadaad, finest born to the Somalis, pay attention was Habar Gidir. Yet 18 years later when you think the culmination would have been processed, we have tribal mooryaans masquerading as wadaado highlighting the killers of Sheikh Boqolsoon as "mujahid".

I said it before in this topic and I will reiterate, diinta Islaamka uma naxin before how I saw Melo misuse it.

[melo]

There is no other Somali sheikh that I had the privilege of growing that I sensed had as much respect as he had. Again, Sheikh Boqolsoon spoke very specifically about people like you and Caydiid. Will you? A mere ignorant kid without even semi-basic foundation contest Sheikh Boqolsoon's verdict using Dalil, Qur'an, Jurisprudence, and anything else for your usage of the term "mujahid" towards a man, forget about him, but his supporters have been labeled as Kufr by the premier Somali Sheikh of the last century?

http://www.addacwah.com/Muxadaro/Sh_Max ... aalada.ram

No wonder you laugh and giggle and deflect the point of contention. Bring yourself from the fault-line of hypocrisy before it engulfs you.

Boqolsoon was a Qutbuist, Salafi, Jihaadist. You do not want to claim as your own. This will open up a can of worms, because it will expose your nifaaq for supporting MSB and the current TFG.

[melo]

Wasn't the Sheikh ruthlessly murdered by the USC? I would hardly call those men mujahideen at that point in time.

Yes, after he said he they are enemies of Islam and made takfiir on their supporters, not only them. This wadaad, finest born to the Somalis, pay attention was Habar Gidir. Yet 18 years later when you think the culmination would have been processed, we have tribal mooryaans masquerading as wadaado highlighting the killers of Sheikh Boqolsoon as "mujahid".

I said it before in this topic and I will reiterate, diinta Islaamka uma naxin before how I saw Melo misuse it.

Grandpa clearly wrote 'at that point in time".

That is completely different to the point you were making against me. You don't want to admit fighting MSB was Jihaad.

[Voltage]

Boqolsoon was a Qutbuist, Salafi, Jihaadist. You do not want to claim as your own. This will open up a can of worms, because it will expose your nifaaq for supporting MSB and the current TFG.

It is like you disavow him and want to use me or better yet get at what you think is my ideologically leanings to make Sheikh Boqolsoon irrelevant. Like I told you before, I don't subscribe to ideology. I will read and contrast any Muslim point of view that is not Shia. I don't have ideologically prevalence. I am only after the truth. But time and time again I get the sense you want to discredit Sheikh Boqolsoon because he labeled people like you as having committed Kufr.

So enough about me. I will ask you this question. Do you support and believe in the message of the shaahid Sheikh Boqolsoon (alle hau naxariisto) and if you do, do you then commit dislike for people of your view point? And if you do not believe in the message of shaahid Sheikh Boqolsoon, simply come out of the closet.

Two pathways. Simple.

[melo]

I've already stated numerous times, that i believe USC became a criminal organisation. I believe that Caydiid's fight against Cali Mahdi was pointless. I believe their incursions into other areas of Somalia was not justified. I don't think the murder of the innocent MJ by Qeybdiid's forces was justified. I believe the inner Hawiye and inner Sacad disputes were useless. I do not defend these things. It for all these reasons that we have fellow Sacad telling me i am a "sell out".

Do i believe USC fell into Kufr later on? Yes Were they kaafirs? Maybe some of them, but not all, and no, not Caydiid. In fact, i don't say any of those warlords, including CY, the abgaal ones, Morgan etc, were kaafireen at that moment in time. When Al-hajjaj was killing everyone, some sahabah considered him a kaafir, while others didn't. Yaziid killed everyone, but the declaration of the takfriin was not applied. Murdering people is not clear cut ground for Takfiir, while believing your laws are superior to Allah's, and then implementing these laws, are clear cut takfiir in the Ijmaac of Sunni Islam.

You simply shouldn't be promoting Sheikh Boqolsoon, given his stance and ideology. It just leads to contradictions on your behalf. I am 90% sure, if Boqolsoon was alive today, he'd be working with Shabaab against TFG. There is essentially no difference in belief between Sheikh Boqolsoon and Sheikh Xasan daahir aweys.

First point of contention

Boqolsoon thought the Sufi wadaads in Somalia were mushrikiin.

These same wadaads are working with TFG.

Boqolson though fighting with Kuffaar against Muslimeen, was grounds for Takfiir

TFG are doing exactly that.

[Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah]

Boqolsoon thought the Sufi wadaads in Somalia were mushrikiin.

If you worship or make Duco to anyone other than Allah cazawajal, then your clearly a mushrik


Boqolson though fighting with Kuffaar against Muslimeen, was grounds for Takfiir

Boqolsoon didnt say that Allah cazawajal said that in the Quran

[melo]

Boqolsoon thought the Sufi wadaads in Somalia were mushrikiin.

If you worship or make Duco to anyone other than Allah cazawajal, then your clearly a mushrik


Boqolson though fighting with Kuffaar against Muslimeen, was grounds for Takfiir

Boqolsoon didnt say that Allah cazawajal said that in the Quran

I am just pointing out the problems one can find himself in, when he supports the TFG, yet promotes Sheikh Boqolsoon was the "premier sheikh of the century". Boqolsoon is the last person you should be referring to you. Stick to the Islaax culemaa.

[union]

Melo, no one here is going to buy your claim that an organization with the slated purpose of removing one secular government and replacing it with another secular government more agreeable to the hawyie tribe was jihad. Everytime you mention USC and “jihad” or “muhajid” in the same sentence you cheapen these words.

[melo]

Melo, no one here is going to buy your statement saying that an organization with the slated purpose of removing one secular government and replacing it with another secular government more agreeable to the hawyie tribe was jihad. Everytime you mention USC and “jihad” or “muhajid” in the same sentence you cheapen these words.

I look at the other rebel group SNM, and see the state they set up. They set up a state, which although can never considered an Islamic governance, is certainly not a kaafir one. I am not a shabaabist, in the sense that, armed insurrection is necessary when the leaders aren't ideal. If a government is still Muslim, then they should be obeyed.

So thats the difference for me.

MSB believed his laws were better than the Islamic laws. Find me, a quote, from SNM, or members of USC, making these claims.

[union]

Melo, no one here is going to buy your statement saying that an organization with the slated purpose of removing one secular government and replacing it with another secular government more agreeable to the hawyie tribe was jihad. Everytime you mention USC and “jihad” or “muhajid” in the same sentence you cheapen these words.

I look at the other rebel group SNM, and see the state they set up. They set up a state, which although can never considered an Islamic governance, is certainly not a kaafir one. I am not a shabaabist, in the sense that, armed insurrection is necessary when the leaders aren't ideal. If a government is still Muslim, then they should be obeyed.

So thats the difference for me.

MSB believed his laws were better than the Islamic laws. Find me, a quote, from SNM, or members of USC, making these claims.

The SNM state is not only as secular as MSBs, but they are a vassal state of Ethiopia that gets its directions from Addis Ababa. You yourself say its no problem taking the aid of kaffairs in undermining Somalia's government, so you probably have no problem taking orders from kaafirs either.

[melo]

I can explain why, but i hold the somaliland government to still be Muslims.

[union]

Yea but you also hold aidded to be a mujahid muslim leader so...

[melo]

Yea but you also hold aidded to be a mujahid muslim leader so...

Yeah. Im out. Getting repetitive