Postby SultanOrder » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:22 pm
You people are getting mad because they didn't give bani hashim the prophets scw tribe as much due as they deserve. You guys are right, but to say that they were as important as you guys might think is also wrong. Banu Hashim's last great leader was the prophet's scw grandfather Abdal Muttalib, which he was practically the sayid of Mecca. After him, Banu Hashim weren't seen as part of the leaders of Mecca anymore, and this is where the video was a little accurate. Abu Talib who was the head of Banu Hashim, had a very rough time, and lost a lot of wealth. Even to the point where he couldn't support his family, that is why the Prophet scw took in Ali ra, Abbas took in Talib, and Hamza took in Ja'far. Though they were still part of the leading noble families, at this time the tribes of Bani Shams, and Mukhzum were the real leaders with most of the wealth in Mecca.
Also, West. It is true that Hadith wasn't collected until that time, even if little bits and pieces might of been collected here and there nothing of it lasted. The proof that it wasn't collected in any real degree is that when Abubakar made his own collection of about 500hadith, he destroyed it saying how can he do something that was never done by the prophet. And after that there was no attempt to put it any corpus.