When will we recapture Jerusalem?

[Grant]

I have been researching some tidbits and came on this article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_coffee

Coffee was discovered and first used by the Oromo of Ethiopia. By the ninth century. It didn't reach the Sufi monastery in Yemen until the 13th.

Grant

[IRONm@N]

I have been researching some tidbits and came on this article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_coffee

Coffee was discovered and first used by the Oromo of Ethiopia. By the ninth century. It didn't reach the Sufi monastery in Yemen until the 13th.

Grant

A Muslim man named Khalid discovered it in Ethiopia, after his goats ate the coffee and when he drink the milk he couldn't sleep.


Some arabic words adopted by the West

Cotton ( qutn)
Alcohol (distilled by arabic chemists)
Canon laws ( come from the arabic word Qanuun)
Coffee (discovered by a muslim)
Sugar ( Muslims the first to set up sugar refineries, sugar mills and plantions)

[Grant]

I accept your word list.

But you either didn't read what I posted or ignored it: "It has been believed that Ethiopian ancestors of today's Oromo people were the first to discover and recognize the energizing effect of the coffee bean plant.[1] The story of Kaldi, the 9th-century Ethiopian goatherd who discovered coffee, did not appear in writing until 1671 AD and is probably apocryphal.[2"

What is your evidence that a 9th century Oromo with the name of Kaldi was Muslim? Anyway, apocryphal means it's just a story. The point is that ancestors of the Oromo had it before the ninth century.

[IRONm@N]

I accept your word list.

But you either didn't read what I posted or ignored it: "It has been believed that Ethiopian ancestors of today's Oromo people were the first to discover and recognize the energizing effect of the coffee bean plant.[1] The story of Kaldi, the 9th-century Ethiopian goatherd who discovered coffee, did not appear in writing until 1671 AD and is probably apocryphal.[2"

What is your evidence that a 9th century Oromo with the name of Kaldi was Muslim? Anyway, apocryphal means it's just a story. The point is that ancestors of the Oromo had it before the ninth century.

We aren't talking about who had it first, everything the West invented, was already known and used in some other parts of the world, its the same, we talking about, who understood the importance of the thing and popularize it, commercialize it and introduce it to the rest of the world.

[Grant]

So, there is no evidence that Kaldi was Muslim?

And you want to bypass the patent office and proceed straight to the sales floor?

Are you telling me somebody besides the Americans had an atomic bomb before 1945? What about penicillin or polio vaccine. Who had those?

I have nothing against transmitters, but they are not inventors; and the distinction can be important..

Grant

[Meru]

i am very delighted that it was the muslims who discovered alcohol,a distilled brew that i enjoy daily in form of Tusker and immortalised in my avatar. but surely how come no one is talking about this GREAT discovery?? or should i start a thread about it? gurey25 please divulge more about this

[muslim-man]

Meru

alcohol was discovered/first used by Preislamic arabs.

[IRONm@N]

So, there is no evidence that Kaldi was Muslim?

And you want to bypass the patent office and proceed straight to the sales floor?

Are you telling me somebody besides the Americans had an atomic bomb before 1945? What about penicillin or polio vaccine. Who had those?

I have nothing against transmitters, but they are not inventors; and the distinction can be important..

Grant

he was a Muslim, his name is "Khalid" an Islamic name, and Islam reached Ethiopia/Somalia in the 6 century, before it even spread the rest of the Arab world

and Yes the Nazi Germany was already developing the atomic bomb before World War II, When Americans invaded Germany, they stole from them and they used their scientist to develope their atomic bomb.

[gurey25]

whats the big deal about coffee anyway?
i believe it is named after the Kaffa region or kingdom and its been used all over ethiopia since the 14th century.
The yemenis picked up the habit soon after, nobody knows the exact date and soon it was popular all over te middle east and the Ottoman empire.

When the Ottomans left the siege of vienna, they left behind allot of supplies, one of them was bags of coffee beans.
The story is that it was discovered by Europe then but the truth is that european merchants were enjoying coffee for centuries in Ottoman coffee houses, it was just a luxury in europe the huge amount captured form the turks let more people from the nobility and the clergy of austria to try it and they wanted more, creating a bigger market for it in europe.

Do you know that when coffee was first getting popular the ulema were debating wether it was xaram or not, because of its effects on the body.


as for alcohol,
common everyone had some sort of drink, it was usually light wine or beer, making something stronger was dangerous because you can get too much impurities like methyl alcohol that could kill you or make you blind.

The al embiiq or the alembic was used to distill alchol to higher levels so that you can get spirits like vodka, whiskey etc etc..
I think this took place in the bayt al xikma/house of wisdom and the initial use for antiseptics in hospitals and on surgrey instruments.
Ofcouse some bright fellow and closet alcoholic soon used to to create arak from dates and then it was history..

arak is some strong shit, as strong as the best vodka upto 40% alchol!!!!!

[Meru]

This debate is great if it was not for Grant"s timely intervention ,i would have considered converting to islam. i can say IRonMan did his best to mislead and demoralize my strong faith in our religion but it was short lived just like an orgasm. but Thanks my fellow christian this is the the faith we need. Christianity

[gurey25]

meru your faith must be weak for a random forum post to rock it.

[Meru]

meru your faith must be weak for a random forum post to rock it.

you think so, have you not read IRONMAN posts?? the guy is so mind twisting i almost fell for it seriously

[gurey25]

Apart from a few incorrect details and exaggerations the essence of Ironmans post is correct.

The Islamic civilization from 700 AD to 1250 AD was the greatest hight humanity has ever risen and was only exceeded by the rise of Europe from the 1500 on.

Europe did not invent anything new in chemistry till Lavasoir identified oxygen in the atomesphere in the 1770's.
Europe did not invent anything new in medicine till the late 1800's (medicine was europes biggest fail and hygiene)
All of europes universities depended on textbooks from the muslim world and from the 12th century.

The chinese invented gunpowder but the correct mixture for high explosive use was invented in the muslim world and then re-exported to china.
The first firearms and canon were invented by the muslims, canon technology moved forward but guns did not become popular in the Middle east and rest of asia.

The Muslim world especially Khoresan(eastern Iran and uzbekistan +afganistan) and Andulusia, as well as Iraq and Syria were the richest in the world and only Sung Dynasty china and sone of the smaller south Indian states int he 1300's came close to it..
The muslim world was the first time in human history that a large middle class was formed.

[Dudaaye]

Part 1 of the famous PBS Documentary "Islam: Empire of faith"

Islam: Empire of Faith. Part 1:

[Dudaaye]

Setting the Record Straight: The Miracle of Islamic Science

Westerners have long been credited with discoveries made many centuries before by Islamic scholars. Thus, many of the basic sciences were invented by non-Europeans. For instance, George Sarton states that modern Western medicine did not originate from Europe and that it actually arose from the (Islamic) orient. ,,,,,,,,,,, http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/sciencehistory.htm