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Should Somali Atheist be allowed to return

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Re: Should Somali Atheist be allowed to return

Postby greenday » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:58 am

You cannot be a Muslim if you think it is allright for Ayan Hirsi to say the things she says. It doesn't matter if you agree with her or not. Iknow the weigh of my words unlike many people here, yes i am saying you are not a Muslim if you believe it is ok for Ayan Hirsi to say the things she says. Allah will deal with me if i am wrong on this but I know Allah will be pleased with me for telling the truth here.
I say am muslim and nothing you say will change. Ufiirso waxa dadka ku dhaheeysid edab laguma barine.

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Re: Should Somali Atheist be allowed to return

Postby Armstrong » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:12 am

I can say I am a Muslim and at the same time say I don't believe in prophet Mohamed, (pbuh) but does that make me a Muslim? the answer is simple NO!

What the person says doesn't matter, what the person believes does.

I am saying if you truly believe that Ayan Hirsi should be left alone and say the things she has been saying in a peaceful Somalia then you are not a Muslim. I am not a takfiri who takes people out of Islam so easily but what I am saying is the truth.

Now, do I think you believe in that? I don't know, but I doubt it. Even the most hardcore athiest like Ayan Hirsi herself knows deep down she is wrong. Any more than that I am not going to entertain you abaayo read ayaan's book if you are a little bored.

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Re: Should Somali Atheist be allowed to return

Postby greenday » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:16 am

I'll do that.

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Re: Should Somali Atheist be allowed to return

Postby Beenaale_No1 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:20 am

As long as she doesn't start spouting her vitriol [she'll be breaking the hate speech laws lol], then I dont care. Somaliya is for every Somali. Peaceful Somali atheists should be able to live in their country without being harassed.

SOmaliya will be a liberal society. Most Somalis are liberals and lefty Guardian readers. A conservative Somali society is a pipe dream.
I doubt most Somalis can get more progressive than I can and I thoroughly believe they should be discouraged from returning for the sake of social order. Also, I doubt you are being honest about the nature of the singularity of importance to Somali identity that Islam has.

The worst insult a Somali person can give you even all these years in the West is "gaalyaho" or "kaffir kan", "you infidel", "this non-believer", which brings about immediate indignation and total understanding of crossing boundaries. You will sit here in a Somali forum and say "Somalia is a liberal society" and will hardly care about Somali athiest among them?

Liberalism as it exists in Somali society is doing away with caste system and giving women their voice in the circle or small or ridiculed clans. Atheism has never been anywhere close to even the Liberal Somalis target issues. It is an extreme polarity outside of the defining Somali structures of "conservatism" and "liberalism".

You are willfully attempting to give an erroneous picture of Somali society for your own political gains.
It is unrealistic to think you can keep Somalia 100% Muslim. What are you intentions with Christians from neighbouring countries who migrate into Somaliya? Gaalo as individuals dont bother me. Their collective mindset can cause havoc in our society, but individuals can't.

I have no political gains on this. I just want people to live in relative peace, whether its a Muslim or Bantu Christian or a Atheist.

Regardless, this issue is the least of our worries. I dont think a Somali gaal will want to live in Somalilya anyway, knowing how hostile it can be for him/her. But if people are OK with Bantu Christian immigrants coming, then they cant do shit about a Somali gaal coming back either.
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Re: Should Somali Atheist be allowed to return

Postby Beenaale_No1 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:22 am

I'd deport Ayan Hirsi back to her beloved Netherlands.

In some Euro countries its against the law to deny the Holocaust, you can go to prison for that. In Somaliya there should be also be a law that says you cannot spout filth, propaganda and blasphemy about Islam. Then those individuals who do so will be persecuted. Those gaalo who do not do any harm, can live in peace.

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Re: Should Somali Atheist be allowed to return

Postby Armstrong » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:28 am

Beenaale your views are reasonable and you will never see me call you a disbeliever based on what you just wrote because I am reasonable, too.

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Re: Should Somali Atheist be allowed to return

Postby blitzkrieg » Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:49 am

:lol:

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Re: Should Somali Atheist be allowed to return

Postby TheblueNwhite » Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:28 pm

I'd deport Ayan Hirsi back to her beloved Netherlands.

In some Euro countries its against the law to deny the Holocaust, you can go to prison for that. In Somaliya there should be also be a law that says you cannot spout filth, propaganda and blasphemy about Islam. Then those individuals who do so will be persecuted. Those gaalo who do not do any harm, can live in peace.
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Re: Should Somali Atheist be allowed to return

Postby mcali » Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:28 pm

I read a comment by someone in here that people change with time. I just wanted to say regular people change with time. We are Muslims somalis who are the beasts of the east. Bottom line is this generation aint gonna let that shit happen. Next generation aint gonna let that shit happen and the next either. Its call tradition and thats all we know. Aint no qurba joog " i think i know better than somalis cause i was born in the west" niggas gonna change that. Somali=muslim

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Re: Should Somali Atheist be allowed to return

Postby Livelife » Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:00 pm

Well, I'm a Somali atheist, but I can only speak for myself.

Even if Somalia became a functioning, wealthy and civilized country, I still wouldn't have moved to my homeland if it became theocratic (or ruled by religion). I am not only saying so because my safety would be at risk in a theocratic Somalia, but because a theocratic Somalia would not survive for too long. A state that promotes and patronizes a religion, must by definition supress others. It is bound to create conflict, it is bound to create social differences and seclusion, it is bound to create animosity and rivalry, sectarianism, religious persecution etc.

No religious theocracy could form a healthy society. All or many of the above mentioned would occur. It is also apparent in western history, that it also underwent the similar problems we Somalis face today. Heavy influence from religion, religious extremism ruling the country (al shabaab etc). People used to get burned for sorcery in the West. They used to burn people for apostasy, for slandering against God, for studying science or reading critical litterature. Remember that! But then, something suddenly happened. Europe got secularized, whilst Africa and the Middle East remained in superstition and theocracy. Now you can see what that has led to...

So, no I don't think any secularists, humanists, atheists or agnostics would ever consider going back to Somalia, if it became a theocracy. I could also imagine how mich intelligence and and intellectual skills Somalia THEN would be missing out on. Most of the worlds most leading authors, debaters, intellectuals, scientists, philosophers etc are atheists or agnostics. It seems the more you are academically skilled, the higher are the chances that you would see through superstition and religion. I could imagine a Somalia ruled by 10 or 20 bearded men, calling themselves scholars.

I could imagine how people would be controlled with fatwas and rulings. No intellectual growth, no free inquiry, nothing. Sam Harris, a notable intellectual was recently quoted saying: "Spain translates more books into Spanish each year than the entire Arab world has translated into Arabic since the ninth century."

I could imagine a similar intellectual breakdown and darkness in Somalia.

So, to my conclusion: I would never ever ever ever ever step a foot in a theocratic Somalia. My life would loose its meaning. I would become a slave under a man made tyranny. Never ever!

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Re: Should Somali Atheist be allowed to return

Postby abdisamad3 » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:24 pm

good to know. Kufars like you will stay away, :D :up:

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Re: Should Somali Atheist be allowed to return

Postby Saraxnow » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:30 pm

lol@ atheist saying my life would lose it's meaning, marka hore ma meaning buu laha :?

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Re: Should Somali Atheist be allowed to return

Postby AhmedBoqor » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:54 pm

lol@ atheist saying my life would lose it's meaning, marka hore ma meaning buu laha :?
you beat me to it :lol: :up:


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