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Re: Building Tombs over Prophets ,Saints and Sahaba is NOT H

Postby Talo alle udaa » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:38 pm

The threadie didn't say Mosques,he said tombs
Building Tombs over Prophets ,Saints and Sahaba
Now you are just playing with words. If you look back at the chapter from saheeh muslim,

A-The exaggeration of righteous people were prohibited by the prophet (saw) due to what the christians and jews have done with their saints. Aisha (ra) spoke of mary and what level the christians took her to, by praising her beyond limits. So the raising of the grave above the ground is prohibited, as well as attributing special powers to saints which is what occurs in tombs.

B- Idols originated from the exaggeration of righteous men who lived in the time of Nuh (as) which were picked up by arab mushrikiin

C- Therefore Tombs, combining the glorificatino of saints beyond limitations, as well as


1-Being a raised grave above the ground

2-Drawing people to seek blessing/aid

3-Happen to being inside masjid


all lead them to being haram.

If you are not satisfied with this then you are just looking for an argument for its sake.

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Re: Building Tombs over Prophets ,Saints and Sahaba is NOT H

Postby Alchemist » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:44 pm

Guys dont be hardheaded this is deen. Walahi there is no reason to blind follow any shiek or stick to you beliefs just out of pride because the hadiths are right before your eyes. What will you get from defending such a position? what will you get from building tombs over graves? what will you answer to Allah if people continue to be on this wrong path because of what you said or wrote? Dont let pride take you tell hell. Do what the God fearing people do when shown proves. Accept the haqq no matter who brings it to you.
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Re: Building Tombs over Prophets ,Saints and Sahaba is NOT H

Postby ZubeirAwal » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:45 pm

First of All Talo, who said people were worshipping the prophet, the prophet himself said when the pilgrims don't visit his grave they are being rude to him., and that if one visits the prophets grave it is the same as visiting him while he was alive.
It is a Sunnah to build tombs/shrines around the graves of Prophets (alaih salam) ,Salafs (RA) and Awliya al-Ikraam (rah). Although for public graveyards and ordinary muslims it is not allowed.



The First tomb in islam

Grave of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is "INSIDE" room of the house of Ayesha (ra)

The Second tomb in islam

Grave of Sayyidna Abu Bakr (RA) is in a room of the house of Ayesha (ra) buried next to Prophet (Peace be upon him)
(and is their up till today)
The Third tomb in islam

Grave of Sayyidna Umar Ibnul Khattab (ra) is in a room of the house of Ayesha (ra) buried next to Prophet (Peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr (ra)

So it was a practice of Sahaba to bury Prophet (As) and Caliphs not openly but inside a Room or in other words a "CONSTRUCTED SHRINE"

Let me ask you a question, do you want to degrade our Holy messenger to the point his grave is just flat with nothing or anything to remember his message given to him by allah the exalted and wise?

Answering misquotation of Hadith and Objections(THIS IS A RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU HAVE POSTED)

Hadith states Sahih Muslim Volume 2, Book 23, Number 414
Narrated 'Urwa:

Aisha said, "The Prophet in his fatal illness said, 'Allah cursed the Jews and the Christians because they took the graves of their Prophets as places for praying."

Aisha (RA) added," Had it not been for that the grave of the Prophet (p.b.u.h) would have been made prominent but I am afraid it might be taken (as a) place for praying.


The above hadith is quoted for jews and christians not for muslims who took their Prophets as God, Son/daughter of God. Lets see how the classical scholars view it.

(What i just posted you above is how the modern day wahabi scholar views it)
Imam Ibn Hajar al - Haytami(in his Zawajir) quotes the hadith from Ahmad, Bukhari and Muslim that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said:"May Allah curse the Jews and Christians; they have taken the tombs of their prophets as places of worship."

He said, "The reason for considering it an enormity is obvious

He explains, however, that, “Taking a grave as a place of worship means to pray on the grave or towards it.The prohibition, moreover, applies exclusively to the grave of someone venerated... under the two conditions:

A) that the grave is of someone who is honored and venerated;
B)and that the prayer is performed towards or on the grave with the intention of gaining the blessing of it, or out of reverence for it.
(from: al-Zawajir, Reliance w21)

And this is only if one prays so close to it that if praying the prayer of those attentive (looking down), the grave would be within one's sight.
[end quote ]


Hence praying salat towards the grave or doing sajda infront of it as christians/jews used to do it is haram.No one is history of Islam took this hadith as proof of prohibiting building of tombs/shrines over Pious muslims graves.

Proof 1 of building of tombs around a grave
Quran states:

Thus did We make their case known to the people, that they might know that the promise of Allah is true, and that there can be no doubt about the Hour of Judgment. Behold, they dispute among themselves as to their affair. (Some) said, "Construct a building over them": Their Lord knows best about them: those who prevailed over their affair said,"Let us surely build a place of worship over them."

Authentic classical Tafsir for this verse

Tafsir Number 1
Qadhi Thana Ullah Panipatti (Rahimuhullah) writes in his great Tafsir al Mazhari: After the death of Ashaab al Kahf a dispute occurred between Muslims and non-muslims,The Muslims said that they will make a Masjid over them because they were of our faithwhereas the disbelievers said they will build other buildings on it where people will live….This Ayah is proving that Mosques could be made near graves of Awliya in order to say salaat in them, Tabarruk is also attained through the tombs of Awliya [Tafsir al Mazhari Volume No.7, Page No. 123-124]



Tasfir Number 2

Tafsir by Imam Bayzawi (rah) says: "From this it is understood that to erect a Mausoleum for the special people, i.e. Pious Saints and Ulema, is permissible".

Tasfir Number 3
Tafsir by Imam Fakhrud'deen Razi (rah) writes:

أن بعضهم قال: الأولى أن يسد باب الكهف لئلا يدخل عليهم أحد ولا يقف على أحوالهم إنسان. وقال آخرون: بل الأولى أن يبني على باب الكهف مسجد وهذا القول يدل على أن أولئك الأقوام كانوا عارفين بالله معترفين بالعبادة والصلاة

[/b]Translation: Some people said that the door of the cave should be closed so that nobody can enter it and the Ahwaal (of Ashab e Kahf) are kept hidden. Some people said that It is better to build a mosque at the door, this saying proves thatthese people were “ARIFEEN OF ALLAH WHO BELIEVED IN WORSHIPPING AND PRAYER” [Tafsir al Kabeer, Volume No. 5, Page No. 475]

Imam al-Razi also said:

ثم قال تعالى: {قَالَ ٱلَّذِينَ غَلَبُوا۴ عَلَىٰۤ أَمْرِهِمْ} قيل المراد به الملك المسلم، وقيل: أولياء أصحاب الكهف، وقيل: رؤساء البلد: {لَنَتَّخِذَنَّ عَلَيْهِم مَّسْجِدًا} نعبد الله فيه ونستبقي آثار أصحاب الكهف بسبب ذلك المسجد


Translation:And when Allah said {Those who prevailed over their affair} this refers to the“MUSLIM RULER” or the Awliya of Ashaab al Kahf (i.e. their momineen friends) or the leaders of town. {We will surely build a Mosque over them} so that we can “WORSHIP ALLAH” in it and due to it we will“PRESERVE THE RELICS OF ASHAAB AL KAHF” [Tafsir al-Kabeer, 5/475].


Proof 2

Hadrat Umar (Ra) wish to get buried beside Tomb of Prophet(saw) in a Room


Al-Bukhari narrates in his Sahih, Book of Jana'iz:

When `Umar was stabbed he sent his son `Abd Allah with a message to `A'isha to "Ask her if I can be buried with my two companions," that is, in her room,next to the Prophet and Abu Bakr. `A'isha replied: "I wanted the spot for myself, but I shall put him [`Umar] before me today." It had been her habit that if a man from among the Companions asked her that spot she would always refuse. She herself gave the following instructions before her death: "Bury me with my lady-friends (the wives of the Prophet in al-Baqi`) [but do not bury me with the Prophet in the house, for I dislike to be held in reverence (inni akrahu an uzakka)." Ibn `Umar came back with the news, whereupon `Umar said:"NOTHING IN THE WORLD WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO ME THAN THAT RESTING-PLACE."[Narrated by al-Bukhari in his Sahih.]

Why did Hadrat Umar (ra) wanted to get buried in a room and not outside , Why is Hadrat Abu Baker (Ra) buried in a Room , A tomb is also a room built around the grave ,and it proves its a sunnah


The Tomb of Aqah Karim (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) is the greatest proof of this practice , Other tombs of Sahabas (Ra) were demolished by Al saud otherwise they too were present throughout history of islam.

It is also narrated that Mu`adh ibn Jabal (RA) and Bilal ibn Habashi (RA) came to the grave of the Prophet and sat weeping, and the latter rubbed his face against it.

► Ibn Majah 2:1320,

►Ahmad,

►al-Tabarani,

►al-Subki, and Ibn `Asakir

What did Prophet Muhammad (SAW) Mean when referring to the Christians and Jews?
This:
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This is what is meant by building over graves, Muslims build shrines around not over the graves , This is how Shrine of our Prophet Muhammad (salehalawaalihiwasalam) is, And this is how all shrines are built.Wahabis (salafis) need to take English and Arabic lessons to understand the difference between Over and Around





answering Objection: Issue of building mosque over a grave



Dawud Book 20 Hadith 3230

Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:

The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) cursed women who visit graves those who built mosques over them and erected lamps



This hadith can be explained by a simple logic that even Prophet Muhammad's grave is inside a mosque.Not in the main hall where Salat is offered but according to the most famous and respect Wahabi (salafi) historian Ibn khateer




Imam at-Tabari and Hafiz Ibn Kathir write, in 88 AH,
that the room of 'A'isha (may Allah be pleased with her) - where there are graves of the Prophet Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace), Abu Bakr and 'Umar (may Allah be pleased with them)- was joined to the mosque of the Prophet

[Tareeh Tabari and Tar'ikh Hafiz Ibn Kathir, Chapter of Government of Walid ibn 'abd al-Malik]

This does not only answers right from Sunnah point of view but also fully refutes the Wahabi claims , Ahlus sunnah doesn't believes in building mosques over a grave or graves inside mosques but attaches graves to the mosque and main prayer and salat hall is still sepeared from the mosque which is a sunnah practice.



May Allah guide us all, Ameen.

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Re: Building Tombs over Prophets ,Saints and Sahaba is NOT H

Postby mcali » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:50 pm

First of All Talo, who said people were worshipping the prophet, the prophet himself said when the pilgrims don't visit his grave they are being rude to him., and that if one visits the prophets grave it is the same as visiting him while he was alive.
It is a Sunnah to build tombs/shrines around the graves of Prophets (alaih salam) ,Salafs (RA) and Awliya al-Ikraam (rah). Although for public graveyards and ordinary muslims it is not allowed.



The First tomb in islam

Grave of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is "INSIDE" room of the house of Ayesha (ra)

The Second tomb in islam

Grave of Sayyidna Abu Bakr (RA) is in a room of the house of Ayesha (ra) buried next to Prophet (Peace be upon him)
(and is their up till today)
The Third tomb in islam

Grave of Sayyidna Umar Ibnul Khattab (ra) is in a room of the house of Ayesha (ra) buried next to Prophet (Peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr (ra)

So it was a practice of Sahaba to bury Prophet (As) and Caliphs not openly but inside a Room or in other words a "CONSTRUCTED SHRINE"

Let me ask you a question, do you want to degrade our Holy messenger to the point his grave is just flat with nothing or anything to remember his message given to him by allah the exalted and wise?

Answering misquotation of Hadith and Objections(THIS IS A RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU HAVE POSTED)

Hadith states Sahih Muslim Volume 2, Book 23, Number 414
Narrated 'Urwa:

Aisha said, "The Prophet in his fatal illness said, 'Allah cursed the Jews and the Christians because they took the graves of their Prophets as places for praying."

Aisha (RA) added," Had it not been for that the grave of the Prophet (p.b.u.h) would have been made prominent but I am afraid it might be taken (as a) place for praying.


The above hadith is quoted for jews and christians not for muslims who took their Prophets as God, Son/daughter of God. Lets see how the classical scholars view it.

(What i just posted you above is how the modern day wahabi scholar views it)
Imam Ibn Hajar al - Haytami(in his Zawajir) quotes the hadith from Ahmad, Bukhari and Muslim that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said:"May Allah curse the Jews and Christians; they have taken the tombs of their prophets as places of worship."

He said, "The reason for considering it an enormity is obvious

He explains, however, that, “Taking a grave as a place of worship means to pray on the grave or towards it.The prohibition, moreover, applies exclusively to the grave of someone venerated... under the two conditions:

A) that the grave is of someone who is honored and venerated;
B)and that the prayer is performed towards or on the grave with the intention of gaining the blessing of it, or out of reverence for it.
(from: al-Zawajir, Reliance w21)

And this is only if one prays so close to it that if praying the prayer of those attentive (looking down), the grave would be within one's sight.
[end quote ]


Hence praying salat towards the grave or doing sajda infront of it as christians/jews used to do it is haram.No one is history of Islam took this hadith as proof of prohibiting building of tombs/shrines over Pious muslims graves.

Proof 1 of building of tombs around a grave
Quran states:

Thus did We make their case known to the people, that they might know that the promise of Allah is true, and that there can be no doubt about the Hour of Judgment. Behold, they dispute among themselves as to their affair. (Some) said, "Construct a building over them": Their Lord knows best about them: those who prevailed over their affair said,"Let us surely build a place of worship over them."

Authentic classical Tafsir for this verse

Tafsir Number 1
Qadhi Thana Ullah Panipatti (Rahimuhullah) writes in his great Tafsir al Mazhari: After the death of Ashaab al Kahf a dispute occurred between Muslims and non-muslims,The Muslims said that they will make a Masjid over them because they were of our faithwhereas the disbelievers said they will build other buildings on it where people will live….This Ayah is proving that Mosques could be made near graves of Awliya in order to say salaat in them, Tabarruk is also attained through the tombs of Awliya [Tafsir al Mazhari Volume No.7, Page No. 123-124]



Tasfir Number 2

Tafsir by Imam Bayzawi (rah) says: "From this it is understood that to erect a Mausoleum for the special people, i.e. Pious Saints and Ulema, is permissible".

Tasfir Number 3
Tafsir by Imam Fakhrud'deen Razi (rah) writes:

أن بعضهم قال: الأولى أن يسد باب الكهف لئلا يدخل عليهم أحد ولا يقف على أحوالهم إنسان. وقال آخرون: بل الأولى أن يبني على باب الكهف مسجد وهذا القول يدل على أن أولئك الأقوام كانوا عارفين بالله معترفين بالعبادة والصلاة

[/b]Translation: Some people said that the door of the cave should be closed so that nobody can enter it and the Ahwaal (of Ashab e Kahf) are kept hidden. Some people said that It is better to build a mosque at the door, this saying proves thatthese people were “ARIFEEN OF ALLAH WHO BELIEVED IN WORSHIPPING AND PRAYER” [Tafsir al Kabeer, Volume No. 5, Page No. 475]

Imam al-Razi also said:

ثم قال تعالى: {قَالَ ٱلَّذِينَ غَلَبُوا۴ عَلَىٰۤ أَمْرِهِمْ} قيل المراد به الملك المسلم، وقيل: أولياء أصحاب الكهف، وقيل: رؤساء البلد: {لَنَتَّخِذَنَّ عَلَيْهِم مَّسْجِدًا} نعبد الله فيه ونستبقي آثار أصحاب الكهف بسبب ذلك المسجد


Translation:And when Allah said {Those who prevailed over their affair} this refers to the“MUSLIM RULER” or the Awliya of Ashaab al Kahf (i.e. their momineen friends) or the leaders of town. {We will surely build a Mosque over them} so that we can “WORSHIP ALLAH” in it and due to it we will“PRESERVE THE RELICS OF ASHAAB AL KAHF” [Tafsir al-Kabeer, 5/475].


Proof 2

Hadrat Umar (Ra) wish to get buried beside Tomb of Prophet(saw) in a Room


Al-Bukhari narrates in his Sahih, Book of Jana'iz:

When `Umar was stabbed he sent his son `Abd Allah with a message to `A'isha to "Ask her if I can be buried with my two companions," that is, in her room,next to the Prophet and Abu Bakr. `A'isha replied: "I wanted the spot for myself, but I shall put him [`Umar] before me today." It had been her habit that if a man from among the Companions asked her that spot she would always refuse. She herself gave the following instructions before her death: "Bury me with my lady-friends (the wives of the Prophet in al-Baqi`) [but do not bury me with the Prophet in the house, for I dislike to be held in reverence (inni akrahu an uzakka)." Ibn `Umar came back with the news, whereupon `Umar said:"NOTHING IN THE WORLD WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO ME THAN THAT RESTING-PLACE."[Narrated by al-Bukhari in his Sahih.]

Why did Hadrat Umar (ra) wanted to get buried in a room and not outside , Why is Hadrat Abu Baker (Ra) buried in a Room , A tomb is also a room built around the grave ,and it proves its a sunnah


The Tomb of Aqah Karim (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) is the greatest proof of this practice , Other tombs of Sahabas (Ra) were demolished by Al saud otherwise they too were present throughout history of islam.

It is also narrated that Mu`adh ibn Jabal (RA) and Bilal ibn Habashi (RA) came to the grave of the Prophet and sat weeping, and the latter rubbed his face against it.

► Ibn Majah 2:1320,

►Ahmad,

►al-Tabarani,

►al-Subki, and Ibn `Asakir

What did Prophet Muhammad (SAW) Mean when referring to the Christians and Jews?
This:
Image

This is what is meant by building over graves, Muslims build shrines around not over the graves , This is how Shrine of our Prophet Muhammad (salehalawaalihiwasalam) is, And this is how all shrines are built.Wahabis (salafis) need to take English and Arabic lessons to understand the difference between Over and Around





answering Objection: Issue of building mosque over a grave



Dawud Book 20 Hadith 3230

Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:

The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) cursed women who visit graves those who built mosques over them and erected lamps



This hadith can be explained by a simple logic that even Prophet Muhammad's grave is inside a mosque.Not in the main hall where Salat is offered but according to the most famous and respect Wahabi (salafi) historian Ibn khateer




Imam at-Tabari and Hafiz Ibn Kathir write, in 88 AH,
that the room of 'A'isha (may Allah be pleased with her) - where there are graves of the Prophet Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace), Abu Bakr and 'Umar (may Allah be pleased with them)- was joined to the mosque of the Prophet

[Tareeh Tabari and Tar'ikh Hafiz Ibn Kathir, Chapter of Government of Walid ibn 'abd al-Malik]

This does not only answers right from Sunnah point of view but also fully refutes the Wahabi claims , Ahlus sunnah doesn't believes in building mosques over a grave or graves inside mosques but attaches graves to the mosque and main prayer and salat hall is still sepeared from the mosque which is a sunnah practice.



May Allah guide us all, Ameen.


ok you win go worship graves I'll sit this one out :roll:

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Postby XaliimoFarax » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:51 pm

Guys dont be hardheaded this is deen. Walahi there is no reason to blind follow any shiek or stick to you beliefs just out of pride because the hadiths are right before your eyes. What will you get from defending such a position? what will you get from building tombs over graves? what will you answer to Allah if people continue to be on this wrong path because of what you said or wrote? Dont let pride take you tell hell. Do what the God fearing people do when shown proves. Accept the haqq no matter who brings it to you.
Well said :up:

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Postby ZubeirAwal » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:59 pm

mcali read what i posted and what i posted from the beginning of the thread, if not, take your ignorance and get out. :arrow:

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Postby ToughGong » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:02 pm

Walahi there is no reason to blind follow any shiek or stick to you beliefs just out of pride because the hadiths are right before your eyes. Accept the haqq no matter who brings it to you.

It's not a blind following it's taqlid.Scholars of the Shafi'i, Maliki, and Hanafi schools embrace taqlid, but those of the Hanbali do not view the opinions of earlier scholars as necessarily binding. And as Wahabism comes from the shool of Ahmed ibn Hanbal this would explain the Wahabism stance
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Postby Alchemist » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:08 pm

quote="Alchemist"] Walahi there is no reason to blind follow any shiek or stick to you beliefs just out of pride because the hadiths are right before your eyes. Accept the haqq no matter who brings it to you.

It's not a blind following it's taqlid.Scholars of the Shafi'i, Maliki, and Hanafi schools embrace taqlid, but those of the Hanbali do not view the opinions of earlier scholars as necessarily binding. And as Wahabism comes from the shool of Ahmed ibn Hanbal this would explain the Wahabism stance[/quote]l

I am from the shafii madhab, i agree with taqleed so does all the scholars of hanbali madhab. this not following madhab is new. and i am against building tombs over graves. It was never done at the time of the prophet and i dont need a shiek to explain what those hadith say their clear for everyone to see. None of the four imams did such things all these building of graves came after.

When you read the books of imam shafii or his sayings you will know most of those who claim to follow him only take from him when it comes to fiqh but when it comes to Aqeedah they reject his sayings.

I even have a book of Abdulwahab denying the accusation some people make about him. He goes on to say that he is a follower of Imam Ahmed and following the madhabs is correct. i will try to post or send message to you another time inshallah.

Anyways sxb i see you as one of the few smart people on this site, inshallah you will do more research on this on your own. :up:
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Postby Talo alle udaa » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:09 pm

TO Abu Bakr

It's late for me now but to clarify somethings you've either completely overlooked or purposely left hidden

The prophet's grave (saw) was put inside the house of Aisha for the sole reason of trying to avoid it turning into a tomb or a place of worship. Aisha(ra) herself explains why the Prophets grave was put in her house and not outside.

Book 4, Number 1079:
'A'isha reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said during his illness from which he never recovered: Allah cursed the Jews and the Christians that they took the graves of their prophets as mosques. She ('A'isha) reported: Had it not been so, his (Prophet's) grave would have been in an open place, but it could not be due to the fear that it may not be taken as a mosque.


And a mosque is a place of worship.

About Umar Abu Bakr (ra), both mentioned they wanted to be buried next to the prophet (saw) because of
1-love of the prophet
2-companionship (they were close friends)

It had nothing to do with building tombs or anything else.

At last, the Hadiths and the parables given by the prophet (saw) about christians is for muslims, precisely so they can heed and learn from their mistakes. If I am not mistaken the Christians are celebrating the festival of st. Anthony this fall.

This topic AbuBakr has started will likely lead to many others since there are fundamental questions which have led to parting of ways.
One is what is an act of worship/Ibaada, What is Shirk, and what is the definition of Allah (swt).

If time permits, I will attempt to read through the rest of what you have put up.

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Postby ZubeirAwal » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:11 pm

TO Abu Bakr

It's late for me now but to clarify somethings you've either completely overlooked or purposely left hidden

The prophet's grave (saw) was put inside the house of Aisha for the sole reason of trying to avoid it turning into a tomb or a place of worship. Aisha(ra) herself explains why the Prophets grave was put in her house and not outside.

Book 4, Number 1079:
'A'isha reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said during his illness from which he never recovered: Allah cursed the Jews and the Christians that they took the graves of their prophets as mosques. She ('A'isha) reported: Had it not been so, his (Prophet's) grave would have been in an open place, but it could not be due to the fear that it may not be taken as a mosque.


And a mosque is a place of worship.

About Umar Abu Bakr (ra), both mentioned they wanted to be buried next to the prophet (saw) because of
1-love of the prophet
2-companionship (they were close friends)

It had nothing to do with building tombs or anything else.

At last, the Hadiths and the parables given by the prophet (saw) about christians is for muslims, precisely so they can heed and learn from their mistakes. If I am not mistaken the Christians are celebrating the festival of st. Anthony this fall.

If time permits, I will attempt to read through the rest of what you have put up.
Please do for i have not overlooked anything purposely as you accuse me of.

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Re: Building Tombs over Prophets ,Saints and Sahaba is NOT H

Postby ciyaal_warta » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:24 pm

dude, you will always have the danger of people worshiping those tombs or going for pilgrimage like its some sort of holy site. :down:
Thats their danger, that does not mean the place is bad, thats like saying if Someone worships the Ka'ba that we should shut it down, an individual or a miniorty group of people cannot make a destination or the resting place of a saint,prophet or companion bad evil or corrupt.

وَكَذَلِكَ أَعْثَرْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ لِيَعْلَمُوا أَنَّ وَعْدَ اللَّهِ حَقٌّ وَأَنَّ السَّاعَةَ لاَ رَيْبَ فِيهَا إِذْ يَتَنَازَعُونَ بَيْنَهُمْ أَمْرَهُمْ فَقَالُوا ابْنُوا عَلَيْهِم بُنْيَانًا رَّبُّهُمْ أَعْلَمُ بِهِمْ قَالَ الَّذِينَ غَلَبُوا عَلَى أَمْرِهِمْ لَنَتَّخِذَنَّ عَلَيْهِم مَّسْجِدًا



The Qur'an States
Thus did We make their case known to the people, that they might know that the promise of Allah is true, and that there can be no doubt about the Hour of Judgment. Behold, they dispute among themselves as to their affair. (Some) said, "Construct a building over them": Their Lord knows best about them: those who prevailed over their affair said, "Let us surely build a place of worship over them." (18:21)

this ayah came down on reer bani israel and that time it was allowed graves but at our prophet time it was prohibited

following ur logic is it haram to make sujuuud for a human..lets for ur father or mother?? coz at that time pple were allowed to do sajuud to each other as a sign of respect ! :down:

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Postby ToughGong » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:28 pm

Alchemist sxb thanks for the advice and I hope you also do likewse
Btw the aqeedah of Ahl Sunna wa Jamaca is one which all four Madhabs agree on
The Aqeedah Tahawia Imam Tahawis aqeeda is what's tought to all Sunni schools

http://alghazzali.org/resources/article ... hNotes.pdf
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Postby ZubeirAwal » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:31 pm

dude, you will always have the danger of people worshiping those tombs or going for pilgrimage like its some sort of holy site. :down:
Thats their danger, that does not mean the place is bad, thats like saying if Someone worships the Ka'ba that we should shut it down, an individual or a miniorty group of people cannot make a destination or the resting place of a saint,prophet or companion bad evil or corrupt.

وَكَذَلِكَ أَعْثَرْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ لِيَعْلَمُوا أَنَّ وَعْدَ اللَّهِ حَقٌّ وَأَنَّ السَّاعَةَ لاَ رَيْبَ فِيهَا إِذْ يَتَنَازَعُونَ بَيْنَهُمْ أَمْرَهُمْ فَقَالُوا ابْنُوا عَلَيْهِم بُنْيَانًا رَّبُّهُمْ أَعْلَمُ بِهِمْ قَالَ الَّذِينَ غَلَبُوا عَلَى أَمْرِهِمْ لَنَتَّخِذَنَّ عَلَيْهِم مَّسْجِدًا



The Qur'an States
Thus did We make their case known to the people, that they might know that the promise of Allah is true, and that there can be no doubt about the Hour of Judgment. Behold, they dispute among themselves as to their affair. (Some) said, "Construct a building over them": Their Lord knows best about them: those who prevailed over their affair said, "Let us surely build a place of worship over them." (18:21)

this ayah came down on reer bani israel and that time it was allowed graves but at our prophet time it was prohibited

following ur logic is it haram to make sujuuud for a human..lets for ur father or mother?? coz at that time pple were allowed to do sajuud to each other as a sign of respect ! :down:
Ofcourse it's haram to make sujuud on a human ,people don't build on a grave nor do put something ontop of it,they build around it.

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Re: Building Tombs over Prophets ,Saints and Sahaba is NOT H

Postby ciyaal_warta » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:46 pm

Ofcourse it's haram to make sujuud on a human ,people don't build on a grave nor do put something ontop of it,they build around it.

well its haram to put a grave in a masjid or build masjid around gravs...right now am in hurry for jumca prayer but i will post the prove later..salaam


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