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Re: Building Tombs over Prophets ,Saints and Sahaba is NOT H

Postby Alchemist » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:23 am

Alchemist sxb thanks for the advice and I hope you also do likewse
Btw the aqeedah of Ahl Sunna wa Jamaca is one which all four Madhabs agree on
The Aqeedah Tahawia Imam Tahawis aqeeda is what's tought to all Sunni schools

http://alghazzali.org/resources/article ... hNotes.pdf
I know but a lot of the groups among ahl sunnah wal jamaca add their own interpretation. For example the ashacira who claim to be the sole group to be from ahl sunnah interpret or don't agree with all the sayings of Imam Tahawi in that book that talk about the attributes, the quran being the words of Allah, Allah being over the throne.. very detailed stuff that the average person wouldnt know or the teachers wouldn't teach to the new students. For example when Imam Tahawi says in his book the quran is the words of Allah the they would say the Imam is a mawafid so were all the early Imams and the quran is not really the words of Allah but a narration of it. They divide between kalamu Nifis of Allah and the quran me and you have in our hands. When Imam Tahawi, Imam shafii or Imam Ahmed say Allah is upon the throne as is known from their writings, they say the early Imams were muwaafids (meaning the one who accepts the narration as they are without going deep into it) but we take a different path, so Allah doesnt have a direction. These same groups are the ones who allow the building for tombs on graves and claim to follow the imams but only do so in fiqh. The early shafiis, hanbalis, hanfis and maliks were different than them..

Do you know Imam Nawawi didnt even allow reading quran over the dead. He says dua should be made for them but the quran doesnt reach the dead. Do you see any of them following this? Not only do they read quran on the dead they eat food there, have celebrations, make it annually year thing.

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Re: Building Tombs over Prophets ,Saints and Sahaba is NOT H

Postby melo » Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:13 am

Graves should not be extravagant. It shouldn't be raised to very high levels, nor should high structures be built on them. However, graves have to be recognised, so if they raise it just a little to signify that its a grave, then from what ive heard this isn't a problem. However, i'd argue that a lot of the tombes around the Muslim world do not fit in this category, and go against the Sunnah.
Imam al-Nawawi in his Sharh Sahih Muslim said: "The Sunna is that the grave not be raised up a lot above the earth['s surface], nor rounded, but that it be raised up approximately a hand-span (shibr) and flattened, and this is the madhhab of al-Shafi`i and those [of the other schools] who agreed with him, while al-Qadi `Iyad related that most of the `ulama prefer it to be rounded [in the shape of a mound], and this is the madhhab of Malik."
Now tell me abusubeer, do u think a lot of the tombs fit these conditions? or no?

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Postby Addoow » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:20 pm

Raising Graves high above will absolutely lead to shirk.

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Re: Building Tombs over Prophets ,Saints and Sahaba is NOT H

Postby Alphanumeric » Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:54 pm

Great thread, nice read. Interesting post from Melo. I hope to read a rebuttal. :up:

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Re: Building Tombs over Prophets ,Saints and Sahaba is NOT H

Postby Aliyyi Oromada » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:28 pm

Imam ash-Shafii said: "I prefer that the soil used for a grave be no more than that dug for that grave. I like to see a grave raised above the ground the length of a hand or so. I prefer not to erect a structure over a grave or to whitewash it, for indeed this resembles decoration and vanity, and death is not the time for either of these things. I have never seen the graves of the Muhajirin or Ansar plastered. I have seen the Muslim authorities destroying structures in graveyards, and I have not seen any jurists object to this." [Kitabul Umm]


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