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Cinque mtumbe did you know Abdirsiaaq Xaji Xusein Somalias former Prime Minister,,almost 90% of all Director generals in his Administration were all reer woqoyis and when asked he said that Reer woqoyis are far more educated than the Koonfurians.

True, not only more educated but also more civilised, because you were used to British style of politics and governance, while Southern Somalis were used to qaabdaradii Talyaaniga like corruption.

That's why Abdirisaq Haji Hussein believed it was important for Northern Somalis to play a larger role in Somalia's government, because he felt Northern Somalis were less corrupt and more principled, which was true.

He was also the one who promoted Siad Barre from Colonel to General and the commander of the Armed Forces when Gen Daud died. Many advised him not to promote Siad Barre, but Abdirisaq is a principled man and Siad Barre was the most qualified candidate for the position.

Oooh i never knew that

This is one of those times when it is best for the MJs to quit talking about history lest the fluke of their faan falls over its own weight. CabdirisaaqXaaji Xussein promoted Siad from Colonel to General and made him Commander? Does Cinque think this is his family living room?

-Before 1958--Siad Barre was the Chief of Police of Benadir Somalia-Italiana
-1958--Siad Barre was the Chief of the Police of Trusteeship Somalia
-1960--On the day of independence, Siad Barre, a Brigadier General, became the Deputy Commander of the Armed Forces of Somalia
-1965--On the death of the Commander, Siad Barre, the Deputy Commander, became the Commander of the Armed Forces of Somalia in natural succession

Do you wish to contest this Cinque?

And that the somaliland script was invented by muusa galaal

Muuse Galaal was in the 1960's the head of the failed committee that was to choose the script. Muuse Galaal did not write or invent a script. He presided over a failed committee that could not agree on which script to use until the military government took over and made a successful committee that chose on merit.

I mean how more country bumbkin can you get to spin that history to say Muuse galaal "invented" the Somali writing script? That's exactly the sort of ego boosting falsities that have been existent in Hargeisa households.

The Somali script its self is not an creation it was intact in the early 1900s it went through transformation through out the years and in the sixties thats when the first real steps were made to write down the Somali language with the latin alphabet and that was started by Muusa galaal in the sixties the Formation of the Somali lating script was already in tact. It was not a new creation by the Military regime

What have MJ's got to do with this? I could have sworn that Cinque was the only one in here

The Somali script its self is not an creation it was intact in the early 1900s it went through transformation through out the years and in the sixties thats when the first real steps were made to write down the Somali language with the latin alphabet and that was started by Muusa galaal in the sixties the Formation of the Somali lating script was already in tact. It was not a new creation by the Military regime

Is this guy serious? Of course the Somali Latin script was not developed by the Military region. I never said that, maybe your English is that bad. I will try to be as simple as I possibly can so read carefully.

In 1960, when Somalia became a country a committee was set up to choose a Somali script. This committee was for a long time headed by Muuse Galaal (Isaaq/Habar Jeclo). Many scripts were put before the committee such as Arabic, Osmaniya, Kaddare, Gedabiirsi, and the Latin modified Somali script of Shire Jama Ahmed (Marehan/reer Dalal Diini).

The committee throughout the 1960's could not choose a script because of the ineffective and corrupt nature of the post-independence. The intellectuals wanted Shire Jama's Latin modified script, the Majerten wanted Osmaniya, the Abgaal wanted Kaddare, the Gedabiirsi wanted the Gedabiirsi, and the religious wanted Arabic. However, the biggest competition was between Shire Jama's modified Latin script, which Muuse Galaal supported and Arabic script with the religious people having a slogan "laatiin waa laadiin".

Muuse Galaal's committee failed to choose one until the military region made a new committee that chose Shire Jama's script. The latin script you use today was drafted by Shire Jama Axmed and he even started printing the first Somali written magazine using his script even before Latin was the official script of the country.

Here is the book by famed Somali scholar Professor Hussein Tanzania (Isaaq/Habar Yonis) on his book

The revolutionary development of the Somali language
Hussein Mohamed Adam
African Studies Center, University of California



More sources:

Xuruuftan la doortey waa tii uu Shire Jaamac lahaa, diidmadii ka timidna waa laga xoog batey. Hirgelinteediina, dowladda wax kharaj ah oo saa´idah oo uga baxay majirin, waayo makiinadihii iyo madbacadihii ey heesatey uun bey ku howlgashey.

http://www.mudugonline.com/MajertainSal ... dabaad.htm

6- Shire Jaamac Axmad oo ahaa ninka fartiisa laatiinka ah la doortey

sanadihii 1961-kii iyo 1966-kii, isagu kuma uusan jirin guddiga markii hore,

mardambe buuse ku soo biiri doonaa.

http://www.somaliawatch.org/archivefeb01/010423201.htm

1965-kii Shire Jaamac Axmad (Mareexaan) wuxuu qorey xuruuf laatiin ah, wuxuuna isticmaaley qawaaniintii uu dejiyey shiikh Maxamad Cabdi Miikaahiil. Shire wuxuu soo saarey buug yar oo uu ubixiyey "Iftiinka aqoonta" sanadkii 1967-kii, waxyaabaha ku qornaa waxaa kamid ahaa gabeyo uu isagu allifey. Sidaas buu Shire J. wuxuu kaga mid noqdey raggii u soo halgamey qorista af-soomaaliga. Shire wuxuu buugiisa ku qorey sidii raggii ka horreeyeyba maansooyin taariikhi ah, wuxuuse kaga duwanaa maanso walba wuxuu raaciyey sharra uu xuruufteeda adag ku micneynayo. Sidaa darteed baa buuggiisii waxaa qiimo gaara ah siiyey dadkii reer magaalka ahaa gaar ahaan dhallinyaradii.

http://www.somaliawatch.org/archivefeb01/010423201.htm

The specific version chosen was that devised by Shire Jama Ahmed, ... Indeed Shire had already used his Latin alphabet script back in the 1960s to print a series of books of poetry, ...

Language and national identity in Africa
Andrew Simpson
pg 288

http://books.google.com/books?id=CDAqAQ ... CEwQ6AEwBw

Also, Brian Street in his book Cross Cultural Approaches to Literacy in his topic on Somali literacy achievement credits the man who invented the Somali script, wrote the first magazine, and was the first President of Somali National Academy of Culture established in 1967:



The fact that you believe "Muuse Galaal" (the man who merely headed the failed committee that was to choose the script) "invented" the scripts that were to be decided on is exactly what I meant by "ego-boosting" historical revision.

The first Somali language magazine in history puplished by Shire Jama Axmed using the modified Somali Latin script he drafted (this is the second issue)



You can but it at Somali Books which writes about its author:

Iftiinka Aqoonta (LTGHT of EDUCATION) waa buug yar oo uu qoray Shire Jaamac Axmed oo ah aqoonyahankii qoray farta Soomaaliga ee aad hadda akhriyayso.

http://www.somali-books.com/Bookdetails.php?id=18#

Voltage maybe you have comprehension problems but i said the Latin script was intact before the Military regime it was allready adopted by Most Somali intellectuals the shira jaamac dude didn't bring anything new to the table you can reform add a few things but you cannot invent something that allready exist Maybe in your Bipolar mind but not in the real world or perhaps this was fed to you as a child that the Military regime invented the Somali latin script this is false and not true.

They Just Finilized something that was started long before their time for instance Shira Jamac didn't come with the idea to write the Somali script down using Latin alphabet nor did he Come with the strucuture of using the Basic letters for the Somali language.This was all the work done by Muusa Galaal,Xaaji Muusa galaal wrote half of the Somali literature using the Somali latin Alphabet Way before the Military regime of Muhammad Siyad bare

So the Somali Latin alphabet was already introduced and Somalis already used it it was not a new invention or a new creation done by the Military regime or By Mr Shire he Just Finalized what was presented to him by the Previous Scholars. How can Muusa galaal agree with him when Muusa galaal already choose the Latin script before him this what i call the bastardization of History Its like How Some of the Kids on this site say Siyad bare invented Military parades the Somali Language existed the Writings and using the latin Alphabet Was chosen by Muusa galaal fact. Now you can argue that the Shire jamac committe was approved by the late Military regime that is irrelevant to the topic since we are talking about the invention of the Somali Latin script and who started using and writing it two decades before your shire Jamac was in primary school










only in the little brain of voltage you can re invent something that already exists

http://books.google.com/books?id=2Nu918 ... al&f=false

Muse Galal and Kenadid will be turning in their graves had they known that their noble contribution to the somali script has been given a tribal flavour.

Muse Galal and Kenadid will be turning in their graves had they known that their noble contribution to the somali script has been given a tribal flavour.

Some people want to even deny them their contribution because they consider them country bumpkins.

Why are some getting offended by my questions?. They were sincere after all, this is what I have learned and heard from the children of those who have seen Italian Somaliland. At least the Northerners made the British tea and crumpets sign treaties and agreements, whereas, I learnt that there was complete colonization in the South and Mafiano violence by the Italians.


Don't be mad.I am just a simple country bumpkin afterall, teach me

Olive oil isaaqs are very open about qabil, qabil is not a taboo in our society because its not a taboo we have found out a way to live with qabil. We do not hide it like some people do for instance an isaaq will never ask you what region you are from if he wants to know your qabil he wil straight up say war qolomaad tahay or yaad tahay. Ask me al somalis are qabil minded people from hargerysa from burco jabuuti jigjiga kismayo xamar boosaaso galkayco. Its just some love to hide and some dont. What does an oromo know about isaaq we dont even border

Greetings honorable Gacanyaree!
Well, Well, Gacanyare, u got angry and u made that silly thread

Look I know the ethio branch of one of your founding father's family;
I have nthg against qabilism, or qabilism as practiced by your clan;
your qabilislm is open, never hidden and straightforward...its not sugar coated!
that is what made your success unlike your southern keens

Gacanyare,please do present my greetings to the Suldan hafidallah, may the Almighty give him more Wisdom.
amiin

B.

Muse Galal and Kenadid will be turning in their graves had they known that their noble contribution to the somali script has been given a tribal flavour.

Some people want to even deny them their contribution because they consider them country bumpkins.

Samatr, this verifies my theory that somalis worship a god called tribalism: when true heroes who contributed to our independence and culture are given tribal labels.

By the way, the son of Kenadid, the father of the osmania script passed away a few months ago.

I really wanna say something but damn you GeelSankataabte for knowing who I'm and being a country bumpkin (jks)

Muse Galal and Kenadid will be turning in their graves had they known that their noble contribution to the somali script has been given a tribal flavour.

Some people want to even deny them their contribution because they consider them country bumpkins.

Samatr, this verifies my theory that somalis worship a god called tribalism: when true heroes who contributed to our independence and culture are given tribal labels.

By the way, the son of Kenadid, the father of the osmania script passed away a few months ago.

eebbe ha uu naxariisto isaga iyo wixii muslim ah ba.
what's worse is when people downplay other peoples contributions just because of their clan.