I DO NOT Support somaliland independence

[Voltage]

Gurey, What I don't get is who cares about Somalilander's opinions concerning where cites like Garbahareey, Beled-Xaawo, Baardheere, Bu'aale, Afmadoow, Kismaayo, etc go? Qabiilne lama wadaagtiin, jinsiyadne lama wadaagtiin.

XF, everyone is in it for their interests I am of the opinion interests could be aligned and commonalities established.

[gurey25]

Voltage i am just saying that the involvement of a nieghbouring country with its own agenda should be disconcerting to any somali.
You do not understand, our political limbo situation keeps us quite on the issue, and our attention is elsewhere..

but think about it, if we were a recognized independant country our voices would be allot louder

[Voltage]

Sxb, your self-assured tone makes me laugh. Like I told you about the triangle, tiinaa muran ka joogtaa.

Somali and Somalinimo means nothing. You are either part of my clan, we share the same state, and/or share the same passport with degree of relevance of opinion about these movements on a gradient scale depending on which.

[XaliimoFarax]

V self-interest is what got us in this miss called 'Somalia' and reason why the chaos is not calming down. How far r we going to let self-interest destroy the nation? And giving blocks of lands to our neighbours/enemies is okay?

[AmalJaber]

*just one thing, please do not come insulting me, i have my machete ready

You have some courage; my goodness.

But seriously, I support the Somaliland, and the rest having their own independent nations. Somalia is a desperate case and it calls for desperate measures. People should sit down and see how the country can be divided up. A referendum should be held in every region to determine which regions would like to be part of Somalia, and which regions would like to be independent.

[Keyse_0208]

this bantu monkey is lucky he doesnt share borders with sland, his whole big lipped bantu kikuyu monkey nation would have been sold as domestic slaves and shipped from the coast of saylac. foking daanyeer

[gurey25]

Sxb, your self-assured tone makes me laugh. Like I told you about the triangle, tiinaa muran ka joogtaa.

Somali and Somalinimo means nothing. You are either part of my clan, we share the same state, and/or share the same passport with degree of relevance of opinion about these movements on a gradient scale depending on which.

Still suffering from the affects of your loss arent you.
My self assured tone comes from my confidence in my country SOMALILAND, and my Patriotism for it.
IT gives me the strength to still care about somalinimo and the greater good for all somali.

unlike you who is rejecting somalinimo and running to Kenya,
you are attempting to be come a client state of a foriegn power like you have incorrectly been accussing us of doing so.


Your emotional state makes you look unstable mentally, seeing shadows everywhere,
and you suffer from an inferiority complex because of the current situation of your clan..

I suggest you seek help..
let go of your pain..

[Saraxnow]

@Meru this is my answer:

Somalilands policy from day one has been total isolation form "somalia"

now you are joiing those delusional folks that accuse somalilanders of a machiavellian plan to keep somalia down so that we can get recognition?
This is a high level of delusion, we are either isolating ourselves from somalia or we are fully interfering, you cannot have it both way..

and you know the reality that somaliland has nothing to do with events in somalia nor are we capable of interfering nor do we want .

We are against kenyas involvement the same reason as why we are against Ethiopian troops on the ground.
You both Border somalia and you will be acting on your own interests which do not necessarily = a stable somalia.

And today we are probably the only ones truley rooting for a stable alshabaab free somalia with a functioning government in Moqadishu, becuase this is the condition required for our recognition.

The US administration and various EU countries have practically gaurenteed us a roadmap involving international recognition of our de-jure autonomous status
along with other incentives and full recognition after a referendrum within the borders of somaliland in a few years ..

so we have allot to lose if the alshabaab issue is not solved and the TFG remains a useless entity..

Ethiopia and Kenya do NOT even want an Independent Somaliland as it will undermine their role in the horn AND in Somalia

So you're nobody's real friend buddy, except to some self-hating Somalis.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Somalilands policy from day one has been total isolation form "somalia"

now you are joiing those delusional folks that accuse somalilanders of a machiavellian plan to keep somalia down so that we can get recognition?
This is a high level of delusion, we are either isolating ourselves from somalia or we are fully interfering, you cannot have it both way..

and you know the reality that somaliland has nothing to do with events in somalia nor are we capable of interfering nor do we want .

We are against kenyas involvement the same reason as why we are against Ethiopian troops on the ground.
You both Border somalia and you will be acting on your own interests which do not necessarily = a stable somalia.

And today we are probably the only ones truley rooting for a stable alshabaab free somalia with a functioning government in Moqadishu, becuase this is the condition required for our recognition.

The US administration and various EU countries have practically gaurenteed us a roadmap involving international recognition of our de-jure autonomous status
along with other incentives and full recognition after a referendrum within the borders of somaliland in a few years ..

so we have allot to lose if the alshabaab issue is not solved and the TFG remains a useless entity..

I swear I feel as though sometimes that the only genuinely intelligent people on this forum are Gurey and Cirwaaq.

[Voltage]

Waligey hada ka hor maan arag Somalinimo sidaa lays kugu qasbayo. You can at least understand if the person is pan-Somali by politics but tribal secessionist who were pimped by Menguste to rebel agaist the Somali state and then unilaterally declarig secession from the Somali state lecturing you on Somalinimo and forcing to speak for you in the name of Somali must be one of the best bizarre things I have ever witnessed.

[gurey25]

Voltage When your clan as a whole fights for and pushes for a union with somalia to create somaliweyn,
even if it was against your clans interests, even when your own politicians argued that a union now is too soon..
When your clans gets politically screwed by the rest of somalia after their sacrifice and still remain loyal for another 20 years.

then you can talk to me about somalinimo and somaliweyn

no one has sacrificed more for somaliweyn than us..

and now that we have sorted our own house we have a right to speak for somaliweyn...

[gurey25]

If you were genuine about your somalinimo you would wholeheartedly support Somaliland because it is a working state that redeems the Somali name.

But instead you are vehemently against it for qabiil reasons..

If you were someone who really care about somaliweyne and the greater good of all somalis, you would support somaliland and a new somalia as the building blocks of a new sustainable and more solid union.

but you dont..

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Bafana bafana, worry about your own country instead of mine.

I didn't know much about Eritrea so I looked @ World Bank data and compared it with Ethiopia/Kenya.

Life expectancy (5 yr difference)


Infant mortality: Eritrea beats Kenya again


HIV/AIDS: no contest


adolescent fertility


Debt:


Handouts:

It still cracks me up when he says kenya is a 'superpower'.

[Voltage]

I don't get why the sacrifice is always on your side. Why couldn't the sacrifice be with the south which was more economically developed, its people more educated, much more developed engines of economy, more developed cities, tremendously larger population which had to take in and share with its bounty the neglected British backwater used as a source of meat for more prized British colony across the gulf?

In contrast to the Italian colony, British Somaliland stayed a neglected backwater. Daunted by the diversion of substantial development funds to the suppression of the dervish insurrection and by the "wild" character of the anarchic Somali pastoralists, Britain used its colony as little more than a supplier of meat products to Aden. This policy had a tragic effect on the future unity and stability of independent Somalia. When the two former colonies merged to form the Somali Republic in 1960, the north lagged far behind the south in economic infrastructure and skilled labor. As a result, southerners gradually came to dominate the new state's economic and political life--a hegemony that bred a sense of betrayal and bitterness among northerners.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... +so0021%29

The conditional return of Italian administration to southern Somalia gave the new trust territory several unique advantages compared with other African colonies. To the extent that Italy held the territory by UN mandate, the trusteeship provisions gave the Somalis the opportunity to gain experience in political education and self-government. These were advantages that British Somaliland, which was to be incorporated into the new Somali state, did not have. Although in the 1950s British colonial officials attempted, through various development efforts, to make up for past neglect, the protectorate stagnated. The disparity between the two territories in economic development and political experience would cause serious difficulties when it came time to integrate the two parts.

Your clan didn't get politically screwed because they are Isaaq and somehow all Somalis hate you. What you translate as "screwed" is basically being swamped by more developed and prepared Somalia. You were a big fish in a small pond and once the lake was opened, you drowned for a reason. Do you understand why I don't take your crococile tears seriously? You guys I have noticed are probably the most delusional Somalis ...just couple years when I joined this forum you ALL thought you made the Somali flag, anthem, script, flew first, that you were the only educated, etc etc all living room revision of history that was created to soothe your bruised ego.

Forgive me for saying our Somalinimo means nothing to me as a secessionist who was pimped by Somalia's most bitter foe helping led to the destruction of the Somali state. WIth that said I hope you do get the best of luck.

[gurey25]

Yes the sacrifice is completely on the side of Somalilanders.

First of all were never economically linked , we behaved as 2 seperate colonies of the west till the end .
We did not get any state funds flowing our way, infact no infratructure was built in the north expect for Berbera which was for soviet millitary use.
You invested every resource in moqadishu and ignored all other regions even your own presidents clans home region.

While we contributed a large share of the countries hard curreny through our clans near complete control over the livestock trade.
Which means that after your "Scientific Socialism" destroyed the agricutlural legacy of the Italians with its innefficiency.

The somali state was dependant on the livestock trade for its foriegn currency from the late 70's till the 80's.
On top of that your uncle tried to get rid of the franco valuta system for this trade and attempted to have full state control over the livestock trade,
one of the primary causes of our "insurrection" as you would call it..

We were happy to be second class citizens under you MOD but we would never be second class citizens with no money.



and Finally Voltage..
In our opinion we did not kill somalia..

Somalia died when Siad Barre created a Dictatorship..

We did not mind an exstremley corrupt democratic somalia dominated by Majerteen politicians.
This was because at least everyone had a chance to get a piece of the cake..


so Voltage spare us your crocodile tears.
Your uncle is the culprit in this murder mystery..

The USC simply defiled its dead corpse