What Happened to the Yibir ?

[Jaidi]

Jaidi,
Don't reply to bigots!

Are the Warabeeyas (I think a branch of the Tumaal) and reer baxar related? I am asking this because in the NFD these two "clans" are viewed as Midgaans.

Execuse me for my ignorance.


Regarding the Stockholm syndrome; it is not unusual for victims to become like those who victimised them. As I mentioned earlier, the majority of somalis living in my town are " Muuse Dheri" and it seems that when it comes to tribalism there is no difference between them and savage somalis.

They might not be directly related( not sure about the NFD) but Im sure they have close links, as such clan families often intermarry with each other.

[udun]

Guys, Yibir is a tribal slur name. Their real tribal name is Anaas.

One of the injustices that occurred in the backward Somali culture is here you have a Somali clan who contributed at least 400 warriors to Fatuuxal Habash, and today they found themselves under cultural persecution among the same ethnic group of people whom they were supporting in that historic struggle against the Abysynian colonialists. This is where the Somali nation needs to seek redemption and correct the past bad deeds.

Some have lately concocted that this proud Somali clan is Yahuud when in fact this clan have given up every thing they had to spread Islam in that historic war--The Fatuuxal Habash. I think it is time history to be corrected.

Fyi, both Gabooye and Anaas had their own languages in the past, and I believe the Anaas still do speak in their own language; it may also have something to do with Somali racism.

[Jaidi]

Guys, Yibir is a tribal slur name. Their real tribal name is Anaas.

One of the injustices that occurred in the backward Somali culture is here you have a Somali clan who contributed at least 400 warriors to Fatuuxal Habash, and today they found themselves under cultural persecution among the same ethnic group of people whom they were supporting in that historic struggle against the Abysynian colonialists. This is where the Somali nation needs to seek redemption and correct the past bad deeds.

Some have lately concocted that this proud Somali clan is Yahuud when in fact this clan have given up every thing they had to spread Islam in that historic war--The Fatuuxal Habash. I think it is time history to be corrected.

Fyi, both Gabooye and Anaas had their own languages in the past, and I believe the Anaas still do speak in their own language; it may also have something to do with Somali racism.

Its not a language on its own rather their own dialect that they can understand between each other. I know many Madhibaan, especially the older ones, also use words and understand some of this dialect. This is confined to regions in what is now Somaliland though, because I know Madhibaan who live in other parts of the country do not understand or speak the dialect.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

Jaidi, have you ever encountered any discrimination because of your clan?


I agree with those who say that this long tradition of discrimanation needs to stop. These fellow Somalis are just like you and I and should be referred to as their different clan names not Midgan which is a derogatory name. In truth: "ninka laga waaya jannada ayaa midgaan ah" as in he is the one who isn't nasab and is the true loser

[NewHargeisaGirl]

Most of my childhood buddies were Yibir/Madibaaan back home & Daami iz far from a shitty hole u dumb fuck !

[DisplacedDiraac]

I know actual Yibir families and you would never be able to tell what their clan is unless they told you. They are ethnic Somalis and look no different than the average ethnic Somali.

I know some aswell..Their men age like fine wine..

[Jaidi]

I know actual Yibir families and you would never be able to tell what their clan is unless they told you. They are ethnic Somalis and look no different than the average ethnic Somali.

I know some aswell..Their men age like fine wine..

This is their old TFG leader also from Hargeisa I think.

[Saraxnow]

@Jaidi, is it that majority of Madhibaan are found in Somaliland regions?

[bareento]

I know somalis can get pompous when it comes to their genealogy, but how far can they get in discriminating the Midgans and Tumaals etc...
Does the discrimination stops at forbiding marriage or it can get further?

One of few things good Mangistu did for Ethiopia was abolishing the discrimination of minorities!

B.

[Jaidi]

@Jaidi, is it that majority of Madhibaan are found in Somaliland regions?

Madhibaan live everywhere, however there are big numbers who live in Somaliland regions. Yibirs specifically are mostly from Somaliland/Djibouti/Ethiopia northern regions from what I know of. Madhibaan and Yibir aren't the same family however, although they do intermarry, and in Somaliland they have a confederation with the Gabooye name.

Just based on observation it seems as though the Northern regions ( including where my family is from Nugaal/Bari) are the least diverse in Somalia Everyone is ethnic Somali and the "minorities" are those from those families. While in the South there is diversity in ethnicity.

[Jaidi]

I know somalis can get pompous when it comes to their genealogy, but how far can they get in discriminating the Midgans and Tumaals etc...
Does the discrimination stops at forbiding marriage or it can get further?

One of few things good Mangistu did for Ethiopia was abolishing the discrimination of minorities!

B.

My personal experience isn't necessarily the norm as my parents are educated professionals, as were my grandparents and my greatgrandfather was a prominent trader in his town so in general they were well regarded. From what I know/ have been told the central and Northeast regions the treatment historically wasn't that bad aside from marriage. Even in this aspect the people have generally been fine with marrying their own families as the rest of Somalis do with theirs. People there are proud of their identities and largely took part in normal life. Their biggest problems, especially contemporarily, are lack of access to limited opportunities because of no political nepotism. Also the displaced from their home regions fare very poorly and can be preyed upon.

In all honesty I've always heard that parts of Somaliland were the worst in terms of treatment of Tumaal/Madhibaan etc. I have heard things are getting better there with stability and as their political system gets more mature. I see their admin has also enacted some programs which is a good step.

[Lamagoodle]

Jaidi,

So, are the Madhibans, Tumaals, Warabeeye and all the others related? or is it the constant discrimination that unites them?

In your opinion, what is the best strategy to end hundreds of years of discrimination? What can you do? what can I do?

[Jaidi]

Jaidi,

So, are the Madhibans, Tumaals, Warabeeye and all the others related? or is it the constant discrimination that unites them?

In your opinion, what is the best strategy to end hundreds of years of discrimination? What can you do? what can I do?

No each specific group believes they have different lineage and that they are united through intermarriage( as well as the discrimination/social stratification.

The best strategy is a peaceful functioning state, that's the only possibility to change anything, to break traditional views, to educate, to allow for some sort of opportunites. The status quo as it is, is not good for minorities at all and getting worse as clan states become normalized. The Barre regime, with all that was wrong with it, provided slight insight into how any state united state can provide for relatively better conditions. You ask most people from such clan families and they'll all agree that conditions were better for them in this time period. Of course it didn't revolutionize or completely reverse discrimination, but it at least did not institutionalize it as the current status quo does. That being said the best thing for us is a functioning state no matter what it looks like. As long as things stay they are, Somalia isn't a good place to be a minority at all.

On the bright side many are doing well abroad, and have been doing what they can to help their relatives at home.

[quark]

we need to stop this primitive BS and treat our fellow somalis with respect.

[bareento]

Jaidi, ironically the somali attitude made u preserve your identity as clan;
as for oromo Tumtuus I think they competely disappeared, being absorbed in their respective clans (ie the clans they live with).
I dont know if its better.

You hear here and there "ganda tumtuu" meaning tumtuus village...that is the only thing visible to others that they left over.

B.