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Re: Hutuking.. what are you upon?

Postby grandpakhalif » Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:59 pm

Xisbi king,

1. Muawiya's :ra: position was wrong in regards to Ali's :ra: decision not to punish those who assassinated Caliph Uthman :ra: this we know is a fact, however if we curse him for that that should then include Aisha :ra: , Talha :ra: and Zubair :ra: . Remember, Muawiya :ra: did not partake in the Siege of Basrah and the Battle of the Camel.



2. Though Muawiya :ra: did not recognize the Caliphate and defended himself at the Battle of Siffin (though seen as a wrong way to wage war in defense, perhaps out of desperation) did end up with a peace agreement with Ali :ra: and this resulted in the Kharijites to seperate from Ali :ra: and eventually the Revolt of the Kharijites under Muawiya's :ra: rule.



3. Muawiya :ra: in fact considered Ali (ra) above himself:

Look what the Amir said!
"Ali is better and more virtuous than me and I differ from him only in the matter of qisaas of Uthman and if he takes the qisaas of the blood of Uthman I will be the first of the people of Syria to make bayah to him" [al-Bidayatu wan-Nihaayah, vol 7 page 129,259]

Also Rasullullah said:

The Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) had said:

The first group of Muslims to make Naval Jihad will be the inhabitants of Heaven. “

-Under Amir Muawiyah the first naval ships were deployed!

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Re: Hutuking.. what are you upon?

Postby Somaliman50 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:02 am

Xisbi king,

1. Muawiya's :ra: position was wrong in regards to Ali's :ra: decision not to punish those who assassinated Caliph Uthman :ra: this we know is a fact, however if we curse him for that that should then include Aisha :ra: , Talha :ra: and Zubair :ra: . Remember, Muawiya :ra: did not partake in the Siege of Basrah and the Battle of the Camel.



2. Though Muawiya :ra: did not recognize the Caliphate and defended himself at the Battle of Siffin (though seen as a wrong way to wage war in defense, perhaps out of desperation) did end up with a peace agreement with Ali :ra: and this resulted in the Kharijites to seperate from Ali :ra: and eventually the Revolt of the Kharijites under Muawiya's :ra: rule.



3. Muawiya :ra: in fact considered Ali (ra) above himself:

Look what the Amir said!
"Ali is better and more virtuous than me and I differ from him only in the matter of qisaas of Uthman and if he takes the qisaas of the blood of Uthman I will be the first of the people of Syria to make bayah to him" [al-Bidayatu wan-Nihaayah, vol 7 page 129,259]

Also Rasullullah said:

The Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) had said:

The first group of Muslims to make Naval Jihad will be the inhabitants of Heaven. “

-Under Amir Muawiyah the first naval ships were deployed!
:up:

the khawarij conspired the war between the camps of mu'awiyah and ali. they only had political disagreements.

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Re: Hutuking.. what are you upon?

Postby RovingMadness » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:33 am

This is your track record,

you say the harakat alshabaab are murtadiin
you support the shia/rafidhi houthies over the salafi ikhwa of yemen
you made takfiir on bashaar al assad and support the syrian uprising
you have shown support for the iranian shia regime
you critisize the regime and da'wah in saudi
you claim that the love for mu'awiyah and ali (radiyallahu 3anhum) cannot exist in one heart

what is your manhaj and who is your allegiance with?

do you just randomly flick a coin and throw your support over whatever you guess? you have continously shown incoherence in your views.

clarify yourself.


Unfortunately, that's your typical Habar Gidir- perpetually confused & dangerous :lol:


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