Are Shias better than Sunnis?

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Mods please delete this thread.
I dont want the shia muslims who feed our sorry ass in somalia to think that we are unthankful. Our whole reputation is ruined by a tiny group(nasibis al shabaabul murtaddiin & their fans)

[greenday]

Colonel dude i just answered his question You are the people who are calling kafir qof shahadada aqbalay ee idaa.

Greenday neither you or I have enough knowledge to speak on such matters however you're taking it to the extreme, how can you claim that saying Rasullulah (SAW) is not the last messenger does not make you a kafir? Where is your evidence for that? You speak without knowledge, in another thread you said that murder is a sin that can't be forgiven Where's your proof for that? Only shirk and disbelief is not forgiven. I'm trying to make a point here, don't speak about matters of diin when you clearly have limited knowledge!

You seem to think you can speak of it, why should i not?

[greenday]

Colonel dude i just answered his question You are the people who are calling kafir qof shahadada aqbalay ee idaa.

If someone rejects what's in the Qur'an, are they Muslim?

If you follow the 5 pillars of Islam then you are a muslim, anything that you do just makes you a sinner.

[Alphanumeric]

Colonel dude i just answered his question You are the people who are calling kafir qof shahadada aqbalay ee idaa.

If someone rejects what's in the Qur'an, are they Muslim?

What do you think A1

Personally speaking, I'd never name any particular person a kafir, unless s/he audibly rejects Islam. If someone misunderstands the basics of aqeedah, that's another story. They may be in a state of kufr, rejection of the Qur'an or hadeeth, or hatred of the sahaabah, or any number of things, but to give said individual the stamp of "kafir" ain't for me. But I wouldn't pray behind someone who rejected parts of the Qur'an or the authenticity of all hadeeth, or even hatred of the sahaabah. But that's just me.

[ToughGong]

Personally speaking, I'd never name any particular person a kafir, unless s/he audibly rejects Islam. If someone misunderstands the basics of aqeedah, that's another story. They may be in a state of kufr, rejection of the Qur'an or hadeeth, or hatred of the sahaabah, or any number of things, but to give said individual the stamp of "kafir" ain't for me. But I wouldn't pray behind someone who rejected parts of the Qur'an or the authenticity of all hadeeth, or even hatred of the sahaabah. But that's just me.

What about know "Muslim groups" like the Ahmediya and the Druze and other beyond the pale Shias who say they are Muslims
Where there is Ijma by Culema about their kufur

[Colonel]

Colonel dude i just answered his question You are the people who are calling kafir qof shahadada aqbalay ee idaa.

Greenday neither you or I have enough knowledge to speak on such matters however you're taking it to the extreme, how can you claim that saying Rasullulah (SAW) is not the last messenger does not make you a kafir? Where is your evidence for that? You speak without knowledge, in another thread you said that murder is a sin that can't be forgiven Where's your proof for that? Only shirk and disbelief is not forgiven. I'm trying to make a point here, don't speak about matters of diin when you clearly have limited knowledge!

You seem to think you can speak of it, why should i not?

I already said that I don't have enough knowledge to speak about such issues however I'm not clueless like you - I - like most muslims know basics such as claiming that Rasullulah (SAW) is not the last messenger equals to clear kufr, no ifs or buts.

You'll fall into sin if you keep unintentionally making up lies about diinta.

[Alphanumeric]

Personally speaking, I'd never name any particular person a kafir, unless s/he audibly rejects Islam. If someone misunderstands the basics of aqeedah, that's another story. They may be in a state of kufr, rejection of the Qur'an or hadeeth, or hatred of the sahaabah, or any number of things, but to give said individual the stamp of "kafir" ain't for me. But I wouldn't pray behind someone who rejected parts of the Qur'an or the authenticity of all hadeeth, or even hatred of the sahaabah. But that's just me.

What about know "Muslim groups" like the Ahmediya and the Druze and other beyond the pale Shias who say they are Muslims
Where there is Ijma by Culema about their kufur

That's the culema akh, I'm not an caalim who can throw around this word. I've been called a kafir more than once and it ain't a good feeling. Yes, anyone who says Muhammad is not the final messenger disbelieves in what Allah presents us with in the Qur'aan and to me are no different than the Nation of Islam folk. But if a particular person wants Islam, who am I to tell em they can't have it?

[greenday]

Colonel practice what you preach its a sin to call someone gaal when they say the shahada.

[ToughGong]

That's the culema akh, I'm not an caalim who can throw around this word. I've been called a kafir more than once and it ain't a good feeling. Yes, anyone who says Muhammad is not the final messenger disbelieves in what Allah presents us with in the Qur'aan and to me are no different than the Nation of Islam folk. But if a particular person wants Islam, who am I to tell em they can't have it?

True,I too will never call anybody Kafir.
I thought you meant even those groups that are agreed upon by our Ulema

[Colonel]

Colonel practice what you preach its a sin to call someone gaal when they say the shahada.

Are you saying that I have fallen into sin because I call people who reject Prophet Muhammad (SAW) as the last messenger kafir?

Why do you keep rejecting that this is a clear act of kufr? Will another new prophet come after Rasullulah (SAW)?

[Alphanumeric]

Colonel dude i just answered his question You are the people who are calling kafir qof shahadada aqbalay ee idaa.

If someone rejects what's in the Qur'an, are they Muslim?

If you follow the 5 pillars of Islam then you are a muslim, anything that you do just makes you a sinner.

There are people who not only followed the five pillars, but did so with more vigor than anyone around.
Those folks also killed the greatest of our Ummah, during the salah.

[greenday]

Colonel. because i know its a sin to call a Muslim kafir I mean would you like if i called u a kafir just because you sin?



Alphanumeric does killing take you out of Islam?

[Alphanumeric]

That's the culema akh, I'm not an caalim who can throw around this word. I've been called a kafir more than once and it ain't a good feeling. Yes, anyone who says Muhammad is not the final messenger disbelieves in what Allah presents us with in the Qur'aan and to me are no different than the Nation of Islam folk. But if a particular person wants Islam, who am I to tell em they can't have it?

True,I too will never call anybody Kafir.
I thought you meant even those groups that are agreed upon by our Ulema

Lol, bro, I think by now you would've realized you and I have similar stances on a great number of things.

[ToughGong]

It's just that the wording in your Q confused me this time sxb

If someone rejects what's in the Qur'an, are they Muslim?

[Colonel]

Colonel. because i know its a sin to call a Muslim kafir I mean would you like if i called u a kafir just because you sin?



Alphanumeric does killing take you out of Islam?

How are they Muslims in the first place if they reject Prophet Muhammad (SAW) as the last messenger? Sigh, no point discussing with girls...they'll never accept advice even if their life depended on it.