Virtues Of Ameer Mu'meneeN Mu'aawiyah RA

[DR-YALAXOOW]

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Waar Cali muu ku "qabsane" Hassan ibn Cali ayuu ku "qabsadey" after Hassan had the the Khilaafa for 9 months
He (Hassan) resigned for Mu'awiyya to take over
Cali was assinated by the Khawaarij I think

cali wuu ku qabsadey because rebelled against Ali goverment. when cali was the leader of the goverment muawiya was the governor of Syria he refused to regonice the caliphate of ali. and MUAWIYA WENT war agains the Leader of the islamic nation CALI BIN ABI DAALIB rc The Battle of Siffin

muawaiya was hostile to ali rc until cali was assinated by khawaaritjis year 661

[ToughGong]

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That's true laakiin hukumka wuxuu ku soo dheereeyey when Hassan got in power
When Cali was alive waakii xagaa iyo sham joogey

[Saraxnow]

@Yalax,

Hadaad qoraysid waxay sheegeen scholarsku, then you should know that scholars also say that Mua'wiyah has virtues and should be respected for that. You are disrespectful, ma been baa?Fitnada ka dhex dhacday saxaabada waa none of your business, you should not take sides. Mua'wiyah was uspet about the killing of Uthman and he wanted Ali to find the killer also other Saxaaba and Aisha (ra) were upset too, it was not about Kursi or who will become Khalifah it was about some supporters of Ali who killed Uthman, who were actually munafiqeen( among them some became khawaarij and killed Ali afterwards).
There are sects that take sides between Ali and Muaw'iyah and they shouldnt like the Shia who make takfir of all the Sahaba and the wives of the Prophet scw which is wrong.


And this thread is not about Yazid but about Mua'wiyah.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

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That's true laakiin hukumka wuxuu ku soo dheereeyey when Hassan got in power
When Cali was alive waakii xagaa iyo sham joogey

MUAWIYA wanted actually to capture hijaaz(makah and madiina) muawiya army and Ali the legitimate leader of islamic government forces met in war Battle of Siffin yufreti river in iraq. muawiya was on hes way to makah and madina. but ali had ciidan aad u xoog baddan. muawiyah almost lost the war and he goes back to syria. again this is not me dr yalxoow whos saying this, its every where kitaabada taariiikhda.

muawiya was hostile to ali rc until ali was killed. MARKII cali la dilay ayuu muaawiya ciidankiisii u soo kacay hijaaz. markaa hassan ibn cali wxuu goaasadey inuu kala badbaadiyo dhiiga islaamka xukunkiina ma uusan sheegan, sidaa ayuu muawiya ku noqday the only leader, wixii isaga ka danbeeyeyna uu ka dhigay dhaxaltooyo. umayyad dynasty.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

@Yalax,

Hadaad qoraysid waxay sheegeen scholarsku, then you should know that scholars also say that Mua'wiyah has virtues and should be respected for that. You are disrespectful, ma been baa?Fitnada ka dhex dhacday saxaabada waa none of your business, you should not take sides. Mua'wiyah was uspet about the killing of Uthman and he wanted Ali to find the killer also other Saxaaba and Aisha (ra) were upset too, it was not about Kursi or who will become Khalifah it was about some supporters of Ali who killed Uthman, who were actually munafiqeen( among them some became khawaarij and killed Ali afterwards).
There are sects that take sides between Ali and Muaw'iyah and they shouldnt like the Shia who make takfir of all the Sahaba and the wives of the Prophet scw which is wrong.


And this thread is not about Yazid but about Mua'wiyah.

yes it was about kursi. after all muawiya started umayyad dynasty clan owned umayyad dynasty. if it was not kursi then he would not let hes not so bright son YAZIID IBN MUCAWIYA to become the Leader of the nation.


and about been disrespectful??

sheegitaanka taariikhda maaha

disrespectful

its just telling the trues. waxaa disrespectful ah if i curs him or anyone else. forexample if i call him sheeydaaan then its disrespectful

laakiin telling the trues and whats on the historical books is not a disrespectful.

do you know WHATS real disrespectful? is the people who compare muawiya and the prophet rasuul scw, thats big disrespectful.

[Saraxnow]

yes it was about kursi. not me who said that many sunni scholars say that after all muawiya started umayyad dynasty clan owned umayyad dynasty


and about been disrespectful??

sheegitaanka taariikhda maaha

disrespectful

its just telling the trues. waxaa disrespectful ah if i curs him or anyone else. forexample if i call him sheeydaaan then its disrespectful

laakiin telling the trues and whats on the historical books is not a disrespectful.

do you know i call it disrespectful? people who compare muawiya and the prophet rasuul scw, thats big disrespectful.

They said that he wanted kursi? Intentionkiisa may ogaayeen? They didn't say that. The Khalifa Uthman was killed and fitna happened simple.

Yes, you are disrespectful when you say he was dictator and other things, would you say the same about Ali or other saxaabas?

It is not about Taarikh but you taking sides and criticizing Muwaiyah when you cannot reach his level. The scholars say you must not speak negatively about the Saxaabas because they made Ijitihaad for what they believed to be right with their knowledge, but you are talking as if you think Muw'aiyah was evil.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

dictior is the man who make himself life time leader and after him hes children and granchildren. dictitor does not mean he was bad man. but hes man who fought and becone a life time leader, and made hes family and only hes family to become the leaders of the nation.

A dictator is a ruler (e.g. absolutist or autocratic) who assumes sole and absolute power

[grandpakhalif]

Stupid Dr. Xoolo, leave the great sahabi Muawiyah (radillahu canhu) out of your mouth.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

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They said that he wanted kursi? Intentionkiisa may ogaayeen? They didn't say that. The Khalifa Uthman was killed and fitna happened simple.

Yes, you are disrespectful when you say he was dictator and other things, would you say the same about Ali or other saxaabas?

It is not about Taarikh but you taking sides and criticizing Muwaiyah when you cannot reach his level. The scholars say you must not speak negatively about the Saxaabas because they made Ijitihaad for what they believed to be right with their knowledge, but you are talking as if you think Muw'aiyah was evil.

if he wanted only justice for uthmaan rc then why he become the absolut leader and uga soo horjeestay cali rc, oo xitaa dagaal la galay kaasoo sababay muslimiin baddan inay dhintaan?

hadduu uthmaan cadaalad u doonayey muxuu markuu cali dhintay inuu maxkamad horkeeno dadkii uthmaan dilay u oran waayey xukun ma doonayo ee idinka doorta?
iska dhaag xukunka isaga uu jeclaadey WIILKIISII ayaa ka dhaxlay. thats oure kursi doon umana baahna in qof maskaxdiisa shaqeyneyso ay suaal iska weydiiso.
and the dictior is the man who make himself life time leader and after him hes children and granchildren. dictitor does not mean he was bad man. but hes man who fought and becone a life time leader, and made hes family and only hes family to become the leaders of the nation.

A dictator is a ruler (e.g. absolutist or autocratic) who assumes sole and absolute power

[Saraxnow]

It has negative meanings associated with it, qof aad ixtiraamaysid maad ku odhan laheed dictator? Would you call Cumar, Abu Bakr or even the Prophet scw dictator? No.

Ta labaad, you dont understand what fitna means. Mesha laba groups baa laysku raacay, thats it. Fitna. End of discussion.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

look omar and abubakar and uthmaan and cali was elected by golaha odayaasha and they did not made their children to be their successor therfore they were not dictitors. okay.
and pls rasuulka scw meesha ha soo dhex galin okay.

[Saraxnow]

I was just using your definition:

A dictator is a ruler (e.g. absolutist or autocratic) who assumes sole and absolute power

We shouldnt use this term when speaking of the Saxabaas

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

A thread dedicated for the killers of Ammar ibn Yasir r.a and rebellious group against amiir Ali r.a.
Iam waiting when someone makes a appreciation topic about Yazid!


Its not logical to praise them both or to love them both.
Either you are with Ali r.a or with Muawiyah.
You are with ameer Hassan r.a or with Muawiya.
Amiir Hussain r.a or Yazid.

Its a easy choice for the lover of ahlulbayt and a easy choice for their hater.


P.s I do not curse Muawiyah. Laakiin I curse the killers of amiir al mumineen Hussain r.a.